Quoting: KimyrielleI am thinking of a really compelling reason to containerize Steam and can't come up with one...

Beyond what's already been pointed out, how about not getting most of your drive wiped out [External Link]?

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Quoting: Liam DaweHowever, it only really works with AMD GPUs right now

While they don't technically offer dedicated GPUs (yet), Intel is also supported.

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Quoting: PublicNuisanceMight have something to do with idiots issuing death threats to CDPR over the Linux port of The Witcher 2. The Linux community had to learn the hard way that you can't pull that crap while being less than 1% of the PC gaming market and expect to do anything but become ignored. If you want to blame somebody start with the moron Linux gamers who pulled those stunts back in the day.

Are you perhaps mixing this up with people sending CDPR death threats over Cyberpunks delayed launch?
Sure, there was a big community backlash over TW2's original eON release, but I'm not aware of any death threats having been sent at the time.

In any case, that's a pretty weak excuse to say the least.
I do not personally support harassing publishers, whether one's platform of choice has 1% or 99% of the PC playerbase, but people actually falling for this are missing a key factor:

VP ported, and fixed, TW2's port before that announcement.

Why would CDPR go through with that huge "Coming to SteamOS" Steam Store banner only to pull out over somebody hurting their feelings before that?

And btw, people had every right to complain at the tdme. TW2 was originally released in an almost completely unplayable state.

Do you expect people paying the exact same price for a game and yet being subject to such a poor experience just accept things as it is and be content with it?

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Nah, I'll pass.
I used to buy stuff from GOG due to their DRM-free policy despite them not offering Steam-tier sales.

A whole lot has changed ever since and not a single bit of it is for the better.
Not only did CDPR publish a TW3 banner on the Steam Store's front page only to go forever silent over it, but they also just keep ignoring their long-promised Linux support for GOG, even after rebuilding their client from scratch for 2.0 and regardless of Linux support being by faaaar the most requested feature in their Galaxy wishlist [External Link].

Hell, it's even top rated in multiple threads too! 10 out of 11 recently top rated threads are all about Linux support and they have the audacity to suggest we install Windows on the SteamDeck despite them still offering native Linux builds on their store and Proton being a thing.

I hope they finally get a change of heart and get their shit together so I can get back to supporting them, but at this point it feels like they're just another inconvenient store, with pricier games, that may or may not be available for my platform and whatnot.
They're barely even DRM-free these days. Why would anyone in their right mind not just buy their stuff on Steam and call it a day at this point. They'd even be supporting Valve's efforts towards building a better desktop/graphics stack.

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Quoting: Purple Library GuyInteresting. What's EFL?

EFL stands for Enlightenment Foundation Libraries. It's what powers the Enlightenment wm/compositor.
Pretty weird choice, but I hope it works out for them.

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This is great for anyone using stock Proton or wishing to use FSR for native titles targetting X11.

Regrettably, it doesn't support native Wayland clients as of now.

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Quoting: poiuzExcept, by enabling it they're saying it's supported. Steam Deck users will get upset. Yes, some will enable & then forget it. But I believe developers of, e.g., the top 10 games will be more conservative.

What are you on about? Enabling EAC's Proton support has absolutely nothing to do with announcing Linux support through Proton on Steam.

They could just enable it on the EAC side without updating their supported platforms on Steam and it wouldn't show up on Linux, including the SteamDeck, unless users explicitly enable SteamPlay for non-whitelisted games.

People would still be capable of playing the game if they knowingly decide to, but NWI would be clear about not providing any official support for it.

The only legitimate reason not to enable it at this point is being unsure about whether it'd weaken your game's protection against cheaters.

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Quoting: poiuzThere is a simple reason, not to ship it: If they ship it, they have to support it! That will always cost resources (i.e. money).

Except they don't need to officially support Linux through Proton either. They can just enable it for anyone wishing to play the game while clearly stating they do not offer any support or guarantees about the compatibility continuing to work in the future.

Sure, sounds a bit hypocritical, because it is, but if this was opt-out instead of opt-in nobody would ever call them out for their game breaking at some point.

Lets be real, EAC and BattleEye won't just drop support for Proton now that it's officially included, not unless there's a huge reason to do so, nor would it just stop working for anyone using the official Proton builds from Steam.

The only real world issue with any of this is how userspace detection of cheats on the client side is never going to catch up with kernelspace detection, therefore devs might be reluctant to potentially downgrade the experience for the majority of their userbase over us.
With that being said, I'm not even sure if EAC or BattleEye is actually kernelspace on Windows at this point.

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Quoting: LoftyHow is arch+gnome fundamentally behind or not as good i.e not the 'best' gnome experience compared to fedora ? i mean, im used to being quite far behind in big updates, a week or two isnt a big deal given that most my software is now as upto date on mint using flatpak as arch linux and security updates are pushed at around the same speed.

Considering pure Arch doesn't really come with a Gnome spin, despite offering a gnome metapackage, it's mostly about what you configure it to be. So I wouldn't say they're really comparable.
Arch based distros offering Gnome spins are another deal.

Fedora offers a solid and up to date stock Gnome base on a non-rolling release distro, while also putting a lot of effort into modernizing the entire desktop stack with Wayland, PipeWire and Flatpak.
Plus a lot of people contributing to Gnome are actually RedHat devs who happen to use Fedora and vice versa, so they're really tightly related.

On the contrary, if you're a KDE fan that's not particularly into tinkering just for the sake of it, I see little reason for you to install Fedora as its original configuration for it is plain awful.

Just like with anything on Linex, you can always set up everything yourself as long you have access to recent package versions from a rolling distro's repos, through external repos or even building them yourself, but that comes with its own maintenance cost.

If you're looking for something a bit more out of the ordinary, you could try Fedora Silverblue instead. It's an official immutable base Fedora spin built around containers, Flatpaks and OSTree.
It offers git-like support for multiple deployments, rollbacks, rebasing to other images (eg Kinoite, that's KDE).
Bricking your system is nearly impossible as you can always rollback whenever something doesn't work out as expected.
It does come with a bit of a learning curve for anyone interested in extensive system level tinkering, but it's still configurable despite its immutable nature.

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Quoting: LoftyThe only question is: EndevourOS or Fedora ...

I guess that depends on your priorities and your desktop preferences.

If you already enjoy Arch based distros and wanna try out any of its customized desktop spins, EndeavourOS might be a good fit.

If you want the best Gnome + Wayland + PipeWire experience and wish to try out something different, give Fedora a shot.

Then again, Debian/Ubuntu based distros are also okay. As long as you're at the very least not using LTS on a desktop and expecting to use any fancy features ootb at the same time.

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