Quoting: JozuaOoh, if there is a way to load the Steam Buddy tool onto this and easily import GOG games... that would be absolutely amazing.
This is actually everything I wanted as a gaming system. Dockable too!

It is just Linux on there, so I don't see why you couldn't load up anything that works on Linux. I think it might be time for Lutris to get a BPM mode as well.

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Quoting: mylkai think they should make it more clear, that they do not sell a WINDOWS PC and you may not be able to play some games and you wont be able to install windows software like you do on windows

Nobody expects a thing like a Nintendo Switch to be a Windows PC. I don't think they need to sweat that a whole lot.

but switch owners expect to play their switch games
steam deck players wont be able to play all their steam games

I agree with you that it's something that needs to be addressed head on, but it seems clear that compatibility will be indicated in some fashion (that's how the rumours started in the first place). I think that Valve's aspiration to remove all barriers without specific game dev intervention is unrealistic.

However, the fact that not all PCs can play all PC games has been known to PC gamers for decades. My current desktop can play every game I can throw at it, but my ultrabook, my NUC and my now-retired Sandy Bridge machine simply can't. It is a pain that there are additional technical barriers if game devs don't make their products work on this machine, but the existence of titles that can't be run shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.

Funny thing is, with Windows 10, the opposite can be true as well, where games haven't been updated to work with it, and you're hosed if you run anything newer than Windows 7. Linux in this case with Proton/Wine has way better compatibility.

except for, wsl...
and most people dont care that much about old games as they do care about new games

WSL is trash. I know, I'm forced to use the abomination at work every day. Oh, yeah I finally got to upgrade to WSL2...then went back to 1 because I don't have time to figure out why WSL2 needs it's own networking and breaks on the VPN...

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Something people keep seeming to miss about the performance of such a thing. The resolution is only 1280x800. That's a resolution that is really really low and old. So crank up the effects and play away, should be pretty fine, as it's rather amazing how much resolution actually affects performance. Especially if things are optimized in the drivers to really target that resolution. If you look at various benchmarks these days, everyone is trying to hit that 4k resolution mark at 60+fps, but most cards still can't do it in the majority of games made in the last ~3 years. Drop the same games to 1440p and boom, you have great performance. It's the whole reason DLSS exists. A 'cheat' to get to 4k resolutions.

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Quoting: ElectricPrismI've seen saying this would happen for 4 years. If you watch what people are doing not saying, you can see this kind of thing in advance.

Damn your vulcan logic!

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One question I have: Are they going to have a mirror of Arch that they add packages in selectively and test? Because Arch Linux, as stable as it is, still has the occasional breakage, and you end up having to go to their site and read how to fix said breakage.

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Quoting: CatKiller

Quoting: mylka

Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: mylkai think they should make it more clear, that they do not sell a WINDOWS PC and you may not be able to play some games and you wont be able to install windows software like you do on windows

Nobody expects a thing like a Nintendo Switch to be a Windows PC. I don't think they need to sweat that a whole lot.

but switch owners expect to play their switch games
steam deck players wont be able to play all their steam games

I agree with you that it's something that needs to be addressed head on, but it seems clear that compatibility will be indicated in some fashion (that's how the rumours started in the first place). I think that Valve's aspiration to remove all barriers without specific game dev intervention is unrealistic.

However, the fact that not all PCs can play all PC games has been known to PC gamers for decades. My current desktop can play every game I can throw at it, but my ultrabook, my NUC and my now-retired Sandy Bridge machine simply can't. It is a pain that there are additional technical barriers if game devs don't make their products work on this machine, but the existence of titles that can't be run shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.

Funny thing is, with Windows 10, the opposite can be true as well, where games haven't been updated to work with it, and you're hosed if you run anything newer than Windows 7. Linux in this case with Proton/Wine has way better compatibility.

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Quoting: Purple Library GuyBy the way--Steam Deck, huh? Not a terrible name. Sure better than "Steam Pal".

I wonder if they'll release different coloured models? I'm hoping for "The Colour Of Television, Tuned To A Dead Channel."

This reference is awesome. There was a discussion I saw somewhere that kids these days wouldn't understand that description at all. Kind of like how they do a 'answer the phone' movement by holding their palms up to their ears, where as older individuals would hold pinky / thumb outward if asked to act like they're picking up a phone.

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Quoting: elmapulhey liam i remembered something...
google recently said that they made something to help developers port games to stadia...
so they dont have to rewrite the code to vulkan, it should work for any directx 9/10/11 game, aparently almost all apis were covered by their project...
maybe that explain why valve is so confident on runing all games at the relase of the device, stadia might not be the only device who will get the benefits from the efforts from google.

i'm not sure if google is working on something akin to what fna is to xna, where you recompile the code and it works... maybe with a few tweaks...
or something akin to proton

I don't think google has released any of their stuff, have they? At least as far as allowing other people to be able to use it.

From the videos I saw last night, Proton has some builds within Valve that they haven't released yet that are experimental above experimental, but are very much making it so more and more games just work out of the box, and are hoping to get the anti-cheat stuff working in time for the release in December.

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Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: elmapulhey liam i remembered something...
google recently said that they made something to help developers port games to stadia...
so they dont have to rewrite the code to vulkan, it should work for any directx 9/10/11 game, aparently almost all apis were covered by their project...
maybe that explain why valve is so confident on runing all games at the relase of the device, stadia might not be the only device who will get the benefits from the efforts from google.

i'm not sure if google is working on something akin to what fna is to xna, where you recompile the code and it works... maybe with a few tweaks...
or something akin to proton

I don't think google has released any of their stuff, have they? At least as far as allowing other people to be able to use it.

From the videos I saw last night, Proton has some builds within Valve that they haven't released yet that are experimental above experimental, but are very much making it so more and more games just work out of the box, and are hoping to get the anti-cheat stuff working in time for the release in December.

afaik most of the tech behind stadia is opensource, its not like they have anything to lose considering most cloud services are runing on top of windows and if more people start using linux instead, that only means that more game engines will support linux and more game companies will support wich should make the deals cheaper for everyone involved.

speaking of that...
Atari has an linux console, google stadia is based on linux, now steampal

Steam Deck. Ha, so glad they didn't go with steampal, terrible name...
But yeah, finally more Linux based consoles instead of BSD or others.

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Quoting: elmapulhey liam i remembered something...
google recently said that they made something to help developers port games to stadia...
so they dont have to rewrite the code to vulkan, it should work for any directx 9/10/11 game, aparently almost all apis were covered by their project...
maybe that explain why valve is so confident on runing all games at the relase of the device, stadia might not be the only device who will get the benefits from the efforts from google.

i'm not sure if google is working on something akin to what fna is to xna, where you recompile the code and it works... maybe with a few tweaks...
or something akin to proton

I don't think google has released any of their stuff, have they? At least as far as allowing other people to be able to use it.

From the videos I saw last night, Proton has some builds within Valve that they haven't released yet that are experimental above experimental, but are very much making it so more and more games just work out of the box, and are hoping to get the anti-cheat stuff working in time for the release in December.

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Quoting: sciroccoI really hope it will be a succes its good for linux gaming, most people wont bother installing windows instead. Its bold using arch linux, hope updates wont break it, at the same time I cant wait for them to releaese steam os 3 so I can install it on my computer.

Well, I think it's upon us as a community to make sure we can convert $distro into a SteamOS :)

At the very least, I'm curious why they went KDE this time instead of Gnome. I'm guessing flavor of the week for whichever dev got to make the decision. Also curious if it's using Wayland vs X.org.

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