Quoting: kon14Pray tell how you update your ancient, but stable, driver. Do you pin packages from testing/sid or is that also too much of a cheat for you?

Figured I'd create a separate reply to just how shitty this is.

Never pin shit from testing/sid if you want your system to be stable. Also, don't throw random ppa's into your repos. If you have to use a third party repository for something, make sure it is for new packages that don't replace things in your distribution. I've been running mostly Debian in my 24~ years of running Linux, and have broken it many times by many things, while messing with testing/sid. If you're gonna go for the rolling release, and you don't mind some breaks here and there, run Sid. If you want rolling release, but stable, use Testing. If you want something that lasts a few years with security / bug fixes and is rock solid, you use stable. It's as simple as that. If you want rock solid+newer software, you now can use stable+backports.

I run Sid on my desktop, bullseye (testing) in some VMs, and I run Buster on servers. You want ancient, and self-packaged stuff, you run a RHEL based distribution. Debian hasn't been an 'oh, they just have old shit' in them since the last few releases. Just remember, Ubuntu takes Debian Unstable every 6 months and slaps it together for a release. Clearly 'the favorite' must be so much newer than Debian, right?? Just because some Rando on the internet made a name for himself at one point and created a ppa for installing beta nvidia drivers, doesn't mean he isn't still just some rando.

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Quoting: BielFPs

Quoting: slaapliedjeBeta means it isn't going to be packaged by most distributions. Some of us don't have time to muck with betas.

Which distro you're maintainer?

Quoting: slaapliedjeNot to mention wayland is still perpetually beta. 😜

"beta" or not, it's the x11 replacement.

Why would I have to be a distro maintainer to want to have a stable system? Nvidia marked their release as beta for a reason. Usually because they want people to test the new features and make sure they're stable before releasing a driver that everyone can enjoy. THIS is the purpose of flagging software as 'beta'. Yes, it means something when a company releases something and tags it as beta. More than just 'hey distribution creators, don't include this in your distributions.'

If I feel like testing it, I'll test it. I have other projects I'm working on though, and need my computer to not do random things.

Wayland may eventually be the X11 replacement, but until they can get the stability, driver support, and feature parity with Xorg, then it simply doesn't work for some people and won't replace X11. It's as simple as that.

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Quoting: whizse

Quoting: BielFPsFinally Very Nice, now we just need the main distros Debian / Ubuntu lts / Fedora / Arch to default to Wayland sessions, and we are good to go :)

Actually, for Debian this happened with the Buster release [External Link], back in 2019.

Yeah, I think it detects if you are running nvidia, and if you are, would default to Xorg. If not, you get Wayland.

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Quoting: kon14

Quoting: slaapliedjeMeans me, as a user, may not wish to muck with a non-distribution driver.

Except distros often package these in their official repos as testing packages.

Quoting: slaapliedjeI am sure once it is marked Stable...

rofl man, if your distro flair is any indication then you'd be stuck with nvidia-driver-418.197.02-1 according to Debian Buster's package indexing [External Link].

Pray tell how you update your ancient, but stable, driver. Do you pin packages from testing/sid or is that also too much of a cheat for you?

Where I need stable (my server) I enable backports. Not that I use any special driver outside of a kernel one there.

Even if I did, it is at 460. https://packages.debian.org/buster-backports/nvidia-driver [External Link]

Also, outside of a few features here and there, do you NEED the latest driver? Really only for newer hardware support.

By the way, the 470 driver is in experimental, so if I want to grab it on my desktop, (which runs sid with a few things pulled from experimental) I can do that. Do I have the patience for it coming into sid or backports? Yup, sure do. Was there a point in time when I would have removed the Debian installed driver and just installed it straight off of nvidia.com, or had to compile a shim for other GPUs? Yes. It just isn't something I have time for these days. Haha, people make me laugh. When I started using Linux, XFree86 wasn't even compiled for some of the distributions, Xorg wasn't even a thing for Wayland to "be so much better!" And the kenrnel was just barely getting to 2.0, I remember being excited for 2.0. Then 2.2 was supposed to save the world...

Maybe I am just old and crusty and prefer a working system, and not having to deal with black screens anymore.

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Quoting: kon14

Quoting: slaapliedjeConsidering this is still a beta driver... nah.

Which means absolutely nothing, unless you're a distro maintainer.

Sure it does. Means me, as a user, may not wish to muck with a non-distribution driver. I am sure once it is marked Stable, then I can install it without adding third party repos, or other garbage that may or may not contain more than the beta driver.

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Quoting: BielFPsBeta means almost stable, the good part is Nvidia started to show sign of proper Wayland/xWayland support, instead of being deniers about that.

Beta means it isn't going to be packaged by most distributions. Some of us don't have time to muck with betas. I used to, but have too many other permanently beta things going on to mess with my video drivers. Not to mention wayland is still perpetually beta. 😜

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Quoting: BielFPsFinally Very Nice, now we just need the main distros Debian / Ubuntu lts / Fedora / Arch to default to Wayland sessions, and we are good to go :)

Considering this is still a beta driver... nah.

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Anyone remember the dark ages, when Linux had no games, wine barely worked, and one of the few conpanies that wanted to see gaming on Linux lost a lot of their supply because their basement flooded?

Now we have so many games that are native, Proton makes most things just work, and we even have theme park simulation games!

Quite a crazy ride it has been!

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Quoting: Avehicle7887I think me and Dosbox-X are gonna be good friends. That glide support :heart:

That's what brought me to it in the first place! There was an annoying bug that I had to work around for the Flatpak, hopefully they fixed it. Though it's been a while, and now I can't remember how I worked around it, but the UI was busted somehow.

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: ShabbyXMake no mistake, there isn't any good will or "love" coming from microsoft

used to be a MS fanboy several years ago,now i am much older and have realised that truth is harsh.

Could never understand how anyone could be an MS fanboy, from the beginning and up until now, they've always done rather shady things, and none of which they have done has been good for the consumer.

I've always looked at Windows as an arranged marriage, that basically we're forced to use it for one reason or another, and life becomes very uncomfortable or awkward if we'd ever get divorced (exiled from society).

Granted, I've also never understood being a fanboy of Apple products either. Too expensive for what you get, and that cult feeling every time you hear someone talk about how wonderful they are :P

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