Quoting: slaapliedje

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Quoting: sudoerWell done corp world... a container in a container. Unneccessary complexity for the sake of corp agendas. Does Proton even work with this.

What "agenda"?

Every corporation has an agenda... to make money.

Not shit, Sherlock. But "agenda" sounds so much more sinister and secretive than "make some money and - maybe - grow". And since we are talking about Canonical something fishy must go on.

Quoting: slaapliedjeCanonical's best way to make money is to try to get as much vendor lock-in that they can, without pissing off the community enough that someone switches to a different distro. Snap and them being the only ones who can host a snap store is their method of lock-in.

Canonical makes money with support and services for commercial customers. Exactly like Red Hat. Their Steam efforts are just pursued to keep Ubuntu visible as "the" desktop distro that plays well with their customer services. And there is zero lock-in since pretty much every software I can think of is also available via other channels. Snap is a convenient (YMMV) alternative in the Ubuntu ecosystem. That's all.

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Quoting: sudoerWell done corp world... a container in a container. Unneccessary complexity for the sake of corp agendas. Does Proton even work with this.

What "agenda"?

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Quoting: slaapliedjeLet's say SteamOS had been built upon Ubuntu. None of those awesome utilities would be available without some nonsense. I'm betting most of them are not there as snaps.

That's one stupid "argument"...
What utilities are we talking about? Steam Deck specific ones, I suppose. Why should I have them on my Ubuntu desktop? Anyway, if the Deck was Ubuntu-based it still could provide flatpak support, because why not (IT'S NOT AN UBUNTU BRAND for chrissake) or the tools would have appeared in the snap store. Because again: Why not?

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Quoting: slaapliedjeAnd people who are basing their builds off of Ubuntu because of their more frequent release schedules are now being mandated to not being able to give their users choice. What constitutes a 'flavor' in their mind? Is that Kubuntu, or is it things like Linux Mint / PopOS. Some of them still use the Ubuntu repos. This just seems like early shots to try to eliminate competition.

Well, you could ofc inform yourself. (But I assume that's "work" and just less fun than ranting.) Well, you would have learned that distros named *ubuntu are flavors. Mint, Pop_OS!, Zorin, elementary, KDE Neon and a gazillion other ones are separate distros which can ship whatever they want.

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Quoting: furaxhornyxNot sure about all this, but would this mean that Canonical may want to get rid of PPAs as well, one day, because they don't have near-total control over it ? :huh:

They already have or actually won't have to since PPAs were never installed by default. It's precisely the same situation as here: You actively have to add PPAs and you actively have to add flatpak support. (Even Google doesn't actively prevent you from installing alternative stores on your Android phone - it just has to be an explicit decision by the user.)

I'd absolutely agree if Ubuntu just deactivated all flatpak repos by default. No issue with that. But the software needs to be there and when a user clicks a .flatpak or .flatpakref in their browser, it should work - maybe with a warning, yet without searching the internet for a solution.

But IT HAS NEVER BEEN THERE. Using standard Ubuntu you always had to install flatpak support explicitly.

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Quoting: furaxhornyxNot sure about all this, but would this mean that Canonical may want to get rid of PPAs as well, one day, because they don't have near-total control over it ? :huh:

They already have or actually won't have to since PPAs were never installed by default. It's precisely the same situation as here: You actively have to add PPAs and you actively have to add flatpak support. (Even Google doesn't actively prevent you from installing alternative stores on your Android phone - it just has to be an explicit decision by the user.)

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Quoting: ZlopezI remember that in LTS they usually have really old version of flatpak, so some things didn't work as they should anyway.

I'm not sure why Canonical doesn't want to have flatpak installed out of the box, but they sometimes do strange decisions, like Mir or Unity. Not bad projects but they were the only one using them and dropped them after some time.

In a nutshell (yes I am simplifying): Unity came before Gnome Shell. Upstart came before systemd. Snap came before flatpak. Even Bazaar came before git (if just by a few days). And while Wayland came before Mir it still has issues 15 years after its inception. In other words: Canonical frequently addressed issues and provided solutions which were then succeeded by other (often better) alternatives. Still, the constant flaming is just tiring and often enough unfounded.

As for the topic at hand: Dropping OOTB flatpak support of Ubuntu spins is an absolute "non-issue" which is completely blown out of proportion. One can still do sudo apt install flatpak and every standard Ubuntu user had to do that for the past couple of years.

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Quoting: ssj17vegetaDo you guys know of any good KDE-based distro, as close to Ubuntu as possible (since most native games are tested on it and I love Deb packaging / user-friendliness) but without Snap ?

Install Kubuntu and type
 
sudo apt purge snapd

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Quoting: ZlopezI'm not sure why Canonical doesn't want to have flatpak installed out of the box, but they sometimes do strange decisions, like Mir or Unity. Not bad projects but they were the only one using them and dropped them after some time.

I'm not sure why people keep bashing Canonical of doing "bad" or "strange" decisions/projects all the time.
Upstart was there before anyone even heard about that second weird thing called systemd. But it is Canonical who is the bad guy yet again for choosing their own path?

Oh c'mon...

Actually even snap is "kinda" older than flatpak. And Unity pretty much preceded Gnome Shell.

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Hardware Unboxed was - well - not really enthusiastic about the product:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNDxKQP1_FQ [External Link]

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