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Facepunch are no longer selling the Linux version of the survival game Rust (updated)
6 August 2018 at 8:18 pm UTC Likes: 3

joaojottaWrong? For more than once I had to go on Windows do play Rust. A thing that pushed me away from the game.
That’s true.
A Unity problem? But the game I bought is from Facepunch. I don’t care about what engine they use. My “contract” is with them, not Unity.

What lies are you talking about?
That they have more abandoned projects than completed ones? That the game was never very stable? That updates more often than not actually break the game (OK, I’ll give that one as I stopped playing the game so it could be better now).

Nox, I love you man, but don’t call me a liar. I spoke of my personal experience as a customer and that is what should be considered. I didn’t make up anything.
I don’t even hate them. Just got burned, don’t want to get burned again. That’s why they’re blacklisted for me.

They were failing to deliver. Period.
Let’s just hope they keep supporting the game for Linux long enough to actually bring it back for sale.
Honestly, both for Linux gamers and their business (more sales).

Alright, the way you put it made it seem like linux users in general had to hope that new updates didn't make the game worse for them. If that's your personal experience, that's fine, but the way you said it made that statement incorrect.

So; When I said partially lies I was talking about the points where you projected your own personal experience onto other users.

Let me put this straight though: It's not a perfect game, nor a perfect studio. They do have stuff to fix, on all platforms.


Now, regarding unity/Rust, I guess that's a matter of perspective. In my eyes a engine is more like an OS. If that OS ends up breaking something which makes whatever process not run anymore it's likely the fault of the OS and not the devs of the process. Of course, if they could easily work around it and fix it and didn't, then I would agree. But they can't. It's a bug in the engine where they have no way of properly fixing it without waiting for unity updates.
Yes, you did buy the game from them, but you also know about the dependency that is Unity. As a Linux user this should be a pretty common concept.

But, regardless, it's okay to have different opinions and experiences, just don't project them as something everyone experienced.

DXVK, the Vulkan-based layer for Direct3D 11 with Wine has another fresh release
3 August 2018 at 10:46 pm UTC Likes: 1

Doktor_MandrakeAlso dying to have Crash Bandicoot playable on linux, seems to get alot of bug fixes and I've seen people playing it.. But for me it always just hangs right at the start .. Anyway to get Crash Bandicoot to work?

Does it hang on/after the "Press any button to continue" screen?
If yes; I had to switch steam to offline mode to get it past that screen. (As in proper offline mode: Top left -> Go offline)

After that it has worked really well for me!

Indie FPS 'Ballistic Overkill' updated with a new 'Rounds' game mode
3 August 2018 at 10:23 am UTC Likes: 1

Little problem for those of us who play on 2560x1440. The UI elements are now scaled for 1080p it seems like. Reported it.

Facepunch are no longer selling the Linux version of the survival game Rust (updated)
3 August 2018 at 9:09 am UTC Likes: 1

joaojottaCurrent version of Unity?!? Since when did Rust become a stable game?
Update after update Linux users chew their nails in hope for the game to even start.
That sounds like an excuse.
Regret buying the game.

Facepunch (according to their website) have more abandoned projects than finished/under development and prototypes combined so yeah, I’d say there’s more to it than just “Unity is broken for Linux”.

I could be wrong but I think there’s more to it.

Meanwhile, Facepunch Studios is on my black list.

Honestly, a lot of the issues for the past few months has been entirely caused by unity and nvidia issues. That's not on them.
They also don't have a history with linux problems after updates, unless you are talking about the system requirements going up.

Jotta, you are being too negative here.


Don't get me wrong here, I don't know what their long term plans are and I do not know if they'll let quality go even further down, but what you are saying is 1) factually wrong and 2) partially lies.

Facepunch are no longer selling the Linux version of the survival game Rust (updated)
27 July 2018 at 8:15 pm UTC Likes: 1

x_wingWe should take in account their sales, from my point of view it should not matter the global statistics as they may be poisoned with multi-account and free to play.

We have had other publisher with way less people and they were quite supportive with our community. I cannot justify an statements as "we don't do QA because you're not enough for me". As I said before, there are other solutions, more than three years of nill QA sounds like he never care about us (and he really stated that in his tweets). I don't say he hates our platform, but this guys are definitely the type of devs I don't want to give my money.

Here you can see the number of total sessions from all platforms: https://rust.facepunch.com/stats
Based on that, plus the fact that Unity + Nvidia has fucked shit up the last 3+months for them makes the decision understandable.
They can't pour enough resources into it to officially support it, and they are admitting that.

The fact that they'll keep building and shipping a linux version after all those issues, the outrage from the community and the tiny number of sessions is interesting and it makes me happy. It shows that they don't just want to drop linux, they just can't officially support it.

Facepunch are no longer selling the Linux version of the survival game Rust (updated)
27 July 2018 at 8:02 pm UTC Likes: 4

jasonmFair enough. So have them offer refunds to all the Linux users that purchased the game. Then I will say, okay, we're good. If Unity is the problem, Facepunch needs to get on their rear. Facepunch said they would support Linux, if they can't well, that's business. You can't say one thing then do something else in business. Well, I guess that's only true if your NOT in game development.
/Jason
Would be good for them to offer refunds, but it would be hard to make fair, so let's depend on the steam refund policy here.

If you simply feel like you haven't gotten your money worth, talk to them and they are usually reasonable. If the game still functions decently it's different though as you still have your product.

For me, I could never get a refund fairly. Over 1k hours in the game, even if the game did stop working I couldn't really say I didn't get my money worth.

So; regarding mass linux refunds. Let's talk about that when 1) nvidia has released a fix for the problem and that fix has reached most users, 2) The unity version no longer contains breaking bugs.
If the game still isn't good then, well, let's talk about linux refunds.


x_wing
liamdaweARK has always been poor on Linux with poor communication. The one thing I value most, is communication.

Not so well with today's news.

Don't know guys. I don't feel like we're "abusive, demanding, rude" community. If you don't do QA and people that pays money for something finds out that it doesn't work, I would really understand that some people piss off with me. I mean, imagine the scenario if you give the same QA to Windows community... Is really like a chicken-egg problem this.

Sadly, we've seen this a lot over the years. People get pissed at developers and they back off.
Note: The Linux and Windows versions of Rust has been about as stable when I've tested them side by side. Until the most recent issues they have provided QA that is about on par with windows.

Facepunch are no longer selling the Linux version of the survival game Rust (updated)
27 July 2018 at 7:55 pm UTC Likes: 4

x_wingDon't know. How many resource do you need for Linux QA? Having a community like Linux doesn't make this guy notice that there are other solutions?

So, let's look at this from an interesting perspective.
We are the ~0.5% on steam, that's a fact.

They have a team of 40 people, according to their teams site. How many of those are actual devs? Not sure, so let's just guess that all of them do QA and development.

That means that, proportionally, they should have 0.2 devs working on our specific issues. Increasing that to even one full dedicated person would put it, proportionally, far above the percentage of linux players.

EDIT; Pair this with the amount of issues caused by the nvidia bug and unity issues, and you can understand why it just doesn't make sense to pour resources into it. It's sad, but it's understandable.

Facepunch are no longer selling the Linux version of the survival game Rust (updated)
27 July 2018 at 7:51 pm UTC Likes: 2

jasonmWell, we purchased a product while in EA. Facepunch choose to support the platform. Garry said way back when that they didn't even have Linux installed to test with because there were so few of us. This should create an outrage by the community. I've seen you rage a bit about Studio Wildcard and their support of Linux in my opinion is far better ( while still pretty darn crappy ) than that of Facepunch. So now, we bought a product, that was supported by Linux, to later down the road have that "support" ripped out from under us without any form of refund offered etc. I'm sorry guys, I'm not finding any love for Facepunch based on these actions. I'm simply in awe at your defense of Facepunch.

Did you actually read their reasons? And his last tweet? Take it to heart. They'll keep shipping builds, and as long as unity does its job well we'll be good. If unity fucks up again it's unity's problem and not them.

Facepunch are no longer selling the Linux version of the survival game Rust (updated)
27 July 2018 at 7:48 pm UTC Likes: 4

jasonm-SNIP-
If you read the tweets above you, you'll see that they are stopping selling it officially to Linux gamers as they can't give it the QA it needs. They'll be shipping it and keeping it up to date, but they don't officially support it.

That, to me, sounds like a decent reason. It's not based on hatred, it's based on logic.

He also states that the linux community should stop being abusive, demanding and rude to the developers who actually support us. Everyone should take that to heart.

EDIT: Saying something positive doesn't matter. You seemed convinced he hates linux, I argued against that. I never said he likes linux.

Facepunch are no longer selling the Linux version of the survival game Rust (updated)
27 July 2018 at 7:41 pm UTC Likes: 1

jasonm
nox
jasonmFair enough, but if you want to go this route, find me a more recent quote of him taking that back or saying anything at all but negativity about Linux. If you can do that I will retract my statement and say publically I'm wrong about Garry and his attitude toward Linux.

So, you are the one saying he is toxic, you are the one who should provide the proof here as his entire twitter history is full of him being sarcastic about everything. However, I did find another very recent tweet for you. It's out of context, but it does halfway fill your requirement, as he is talking about both windows and linux:

Would love to drop windows and Linux m8

Other than that, he doesn't really seem to have any recent tweets that shows any hatred towards linux at all.

Your defending Garry for being outspoken and a jerk but you're condemning me because I'm just stating facts? That's kinda what it feels like here...

Not really, just pointing out that I found your requirement strange. At least I provided you with the most recent linux mentioning tweet I could find, which also says the exact thing about Windows.

Look, I'm not saying he is a great guy. I don't know. I just know that they've supported linux decently(or at least as bad as windows). However, if you take a few minutes of your time to read his tweets you'll see that he bashes everyone, everywhere, all the time.

If someone being sarcastic, liking to rile up people and fucking around is equal to hating linux, then alright, you have your view.

Main point: Old tweet, many tweets sarcastic about everything over the years, decent support regardless over the years. If he hates linux he isn't good at showing it.

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