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On the controversies of Humble, Canonical and Team Meat
25 Dec 2012 at 3:05 pm UTC
25 Dec 2012 at 3:05 pm UTC
Someone was asking why Ed thinks it's not worth to port His games to Linux:
http://www.formspring.me/EdmundM/q/407802266146330190 [External Link]
It made me a little sad but there is still a hope:
For now my only concern is that some people might hear about this mess and associate not paying for games with Linux. I hope I'm wrong.
There is also urgent need for comment from Canonical.
http://www.formspring.me/EdmundM/q/407802266146330190 [External Link]
It made me a little sad but there is still a hope:
That said, i will be submitting Isaac to Steam for Linux, mostly to just see for myself how sales actually are.. though i STRONGLY believe i wont be surprised by the sales."
For now my only concern is that some people might hear about this mess and associate not paying for games with Linux. I hope I'm wrong.
There is also urgent need for comment from Canonical.
On the controversies of Humble, Canonical and Team Meat
23 Dec 2012 at 7:48 pm UTC
It sounded to me that you are implying that everyone involved shares the blame equally. For now it is simply not true, same for blaming Canonical for everything.
Krzysztof Sobiecki
23 Dec 2012 at 7:48 pm UTC
Quoting: "liamdawe, post: 7269, member: 1"So an article is a disgrace for calling out a Game Developer for harsh statements on Linux for them to then have their games on Linux? Sorry but I feel there was a need for this to be pointed out but you are free to disagree such is the way of the internet. People should not support or applaud someone who makes such comments about open source and Linux....to then join in and support it by having their games on it.Calling out a Game Developer for harsh statements on Linux is not a disgrace, mixing it with valid complain from different person on the same team? Yes it is. Different article, perfectly ok, same one, not so much.
Quoting: "liamdawe, post: 7269, member: 1"Also this was not about removing blame from Canonical at all, if you think they are 100% to blame for this you are disillusioned sorry to say but it's true. Ed said in his own words he know about it a while ago and did nothing about the game being on USC.I didn't say that Canonical is guilty of anything, I do not belive that Canonical is 100% blame because I do not even know who is to blame. I'm waiting for statement from Canonical, ball is on their side.
Quoting: "liamdawe, post: 7269, member: 1""i brushed it aside a few months ago when we found out"We don't know what happened and you started to point fingers at everyone involved. I do not know who is to blame so I will wait with putting blame until I know. Fact that Canonical didn't pay for distribution just gives me a pause. On the other hand it might be simple omission on their part, nothing more.
Yes it's really all Canonical's fault isn't it! Considering he also stated HIB are the ones that send the builds to Ubuntu but they should get no blame? Right...
It sounded to me that you are implying that everyone involved shares the blame equally. For now it is simply not true, same for blaming Canonical for everything.
Quoting: "liamdawe, post: 7269, member: 1"It is not an "attack" on his (Tommy's) character at all, ALL I have done is quote his words word for word on what he has said, point me to where I have made something up to attack him with?As I said before, his opinion about Linux doesn't change anything, it's irreverent. Especially because he didn't make claims about Canonical, Ed did. Mixing it with valid claims from Ed is not right. I do not want to see Ed blamed for Tommy's words even by association.
Oh as for "ad hominem" looking up the definition "Attacking an opponent's motives or character rather than the policy or position they maintain", Tommy's position was perfectly clear - he gave Linux the finger...or where my direct quotes from him made up?
Quoting: "liamdawe, post: 7269, member: 1"GOL is my personal website, Editorials are my opinion so of course it will have all of my emotions in them when someone attacks Linux and then puts his games on it to reap rewards from us. Maybe I should rename "Editorials" to "My Opinion" to be clearer...I know it and I believe that you are right to include your emotions in editorials. It makes articles interesting. I must also admit that i might have reacted a little bit too emotional. I apologize, I should have expressed my opinion in a calmer way.
Quoting: "liamdawe, post: 7269, member: 1"or just stay away from anything other than new games and updates?Please continue to work on this excellent linux gaming site. I posted my opinion here in hope of fruitful discussion not to discourage you. I also contributed to GamingOnLinux.com hosting fund so keep going I'm counting on you.
Post edited a few times to get my message across clearer.
Krzysztof Sobiecki
On the controversies of Humble, Canonical and Team Meat
23 Dec 2012 at 6:00 pm UTC
There is more clarification in this post:
http://www.formspring.me/EdmundM/q/406960226210700795 [External Link]
This article is an disgrace. I'm ashamed by reading this thing on gamingonlinux. Not only it's ad hominem it is a stupid one.
I think that attack on Tommys character was completely unnecessary, after all, it doesn't matter if he likes Linux or not. The problem at hand is the fact that Canonical profited from distribution of copyrighted material without permission of the owner. Painting Tommy(and Team Meat as collateral) as Linux enemy doesn't change that. Furthermore for me, it feels like attempt to smear the blame on all people involved(to lessen the blame on Canonical). It feels like a try to portrait Team Meat claims as an attack of malicious outsider on the one of us(Canonical).
It reeks with "us vs. them" mentality and it only widens gap between game developers and linux community.
I'm sorry for this harsh words but I felt so outraged by this article that I couldn't stay silent.
23 Dec 2012 at 6:00 pm UTC
Quoting: "liamdawe, post: 7266, member: 1"Yeah it could have been split but since it's all based around a similar thing i thought it was worth putting it together. Will look at splitting the article itself to indicate the separate issues though :)
Edit > Added headings :)
Article Updated to include links to show info about Steel Storm developer being unhappy with Humble. Also updated to include a note under second heading that it's not directly related to the first one. In future I will just split articles.
Also note Team Meat aren't pricks since it's two people, Tommy the programmer is the douche making the horrible Linux comments, according to cheeseness Edmund is actually alright.
Quoting: "liamdawe, post: 7266, member: 1"Yeah it could have been split but since it's all based around a similar thing i thought it was worth putting it together. Will look at splitting the article itself to indicate the separate issues though
There is more clarification in this post:
http://www.formspring.me/EdmundM/q/406960226210700795 [External Link]
This article is an disgrace. I'm ashamed by reading this thing on gamingonlinux. Not only it's ad hominem it is a stupid one.
I think that attack on Tommys character was completely unnecessary, after all, it doesn't matter if he likes Linux or not. The problem at hand is the fact that Canonical profited from distribution of copyrighted material without permission of the owner. Painting Tommy(and Team Meat as collateral) as Linux enemy doesn't change that. Furthermore for me, it feels like attempt to smear the blame on all people involved(to lessen the blame on Canonical). It feels like a try to portrait Team Meat claims as an attack of malicious outsider on the one of us(Canonical).
It reeks with "us vs. them" mentality and it only widens gap between game developers and linux community.
I'm sorry for this harsh words but I felt so outraged by this article that I couldn't stay silent.
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