Quoting: Teradile

No actual reason has been given to us on why it went free for Linux

The reason is that I haven't sold many copies on Steam, so I thought I might as well expose it to a bigger audience and let more people play it.

Thank you for making the game and offering it for free for Linux users Teradile.

I have played the tutorial so afr, and that seems to wrok, except I can not start it from the desktop, but only from caoommand line with

snap run nightfall-hacker

That is on Ubuntu 20.04 and 21.04. Maybe you just have to add a .desktop file so it can be launched by searching for it, and then also adding it as a favorite to the dock.

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Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: RedfaceWhat Mint does is provide some good desktop environment and some utility programs, but not a complete distribution, they rely on Ubuntu, or Debian for LMDE.

Mint is based on Ubuntu just like Manjaro is based on Arch. But all four of these are distributions by definition. Whether they're "complete" enough to pass your purity test doesn't really matter.

As far as I know Manjaro build the binary packages in their repositories them self, the source comes from Arch but is then "hold" back a while to see if bugs are found. But I could be wrong, I never looked that close at Manjaro. They do have their own repositories though, if you do not add the AUR or another external repository then you get your packages from Manjaro servers or mirrors.

Mint does add the Ubuntu repositories in addition to their own. When you remove the Ubuntu repositories on a Mint then you will not get any get any updates for the kernel, gnu libraries, Mesa, Xorg etc, and you will not be able install any of the packages from Mint repositories that depend on packages in Ubuntu repositories not installed yet. That would be stupid though to break a system like that.

And I do not write that from a purity perspective. It is a good way ensure binary compatibility with the Ubuntu LTS the Mint packages from that release are build on.

When someone distributes binary programs build and tested for Ubuntu then those will work on Mint too, because all dependencies on that Mint system need then come from Ubuntu. Mint is over 99% Ubuntu after all, looking at available packages, on a fresh install the percentage from Mint is higher, but still crucial components like the kernel are from Ubuntus repositories.

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Quoting: Eike

Quoting: slaapliedjeIndeed! After that it basically lasts forever. I'd had the same install for years and years, and the only reason I re-installed was due to going from 32bit to 64bit... and even then, there was a way to upgrade that way, it was just kind of a pain. But I've had the same install on my server since then.

I had given up my old Debian install after, dunno, 15 years or so, because the X server couldn't cope with a very outdated config file entry. I'm still not sure if it was luck or bad luck that I only found out afterwards. I guess a fresh install every decade is ok. ;)

I had a really long running Debian install back in the day. Mostly running sid, aka unstable since the stable releases always where years delayed back then. When it was close to a release I changed it to follow testing to help test it, and then once it was release the software was kind of old for a desktop. And testing then after a new stable release was a big mess for months due to a lot of transitions that where hold back due to the long freeze, so I switched to unstable again :-)
And rinse repeated that a couple of cycles over the years.

Then Ubuntu was announced to be coming soon with a at that time revolutionary release concept: release when its time, instead of release when its ready. Since there is always that one program which should get next version, or this or that bug that needs to be fixed, And stuff can be updated after release.

I installed Ubuntu 4.10 Warty Warthog and stayed on Ubuntu as my main OS since then.

My desktop which is currently running Hirsute that will release as 21.04, was installed as Ubuntu 12.10. On another disk and in another PC, I converted it to GPT and UEFI when I transferred it to its current SSD.
Linux, and especially apt based systems are just amazing.

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Quoting: PangaeaKinda strange to mention Ubuntu but not the better alternative Linux Mint. Since starting with Mint, I've never had the urge to distro hope again. It simply works.

Steam and all their DRM can jump off a cliff tho.

Mint is kind of Ubuntu + some extra packages, not a complete distribution on its own.
So you can consider it as included.

What Mint does is they add the Ubuntu repositories and their own, where packages not in Ubuntu, or in some cases a bit different than was Ubuntu does.

Here are the number of available deb packages on a Mint 20 install I have with no extra repositories added:

grep ^Package /var/lib/apt/lists/*ubuntu*_Packages |awk '{print $2}'|sort -u|wc -l
62917

grep ^Package /var/lib/apt/lists/packages.linuxmint*_Packages |awk '{print $2}'|sort -u|wc -l
461
That is a factor of 136 more debs available from Ubuntu than from Mint when you install Mint, or put in another way over 99% of available packages are from Ubuntu.

Mint does not provide kernel, system libraries like glibs, perl, python and java support or snap or flatpak, Nvidia drivers and mesa, those are all from Ubuntu.

What Mint does is provide some good desktop environment and some utility programs, but not a complete distribution, they rely on Ubuntu, or Debian for LMDE.

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Quoting: kon14

Quoting: mrdeathjrThis only applies in specific cases like lastest kernel hardware support case intel or amd gpus for example

For most users lts is enough for gaming (included proton)

:smile:

I'm not suggesting it's not doable, I'm just saying it's pointless and causes way more trouble and performance issues (though mostly lack of support for latest features) than a non-LTS branch ever would for a desktop use case.

Quoting: KimyrielleThat makes no sense at all. Steam will update Proton automatically and your graphics driver will update when the system does (in case of NVidia you have to add the correct launchpad PPA to your repositories, but that's all). Both of that happens whether you're using LTS or not.

Which means that depending on your distro you mind have to resort to using third party repositories or mix and matching branches which is always prone to dep collisions.
Remember, my original comment was not Ubuntu-specific, but even in that case you're still shooting yourself in the foot over nothing.

It wasn't until fairly recently that DXVK finally stabilized and stopped requiring bleeding edge drivers so as to support new features, but DXVK is not the latest tool in the shed anymore and it's far from the only one benefiting from not being stuck with an outdated system.
I'm not rooting for bleeding edge distros here, this is strictly about sta(b)le branches (LTS) vs latest releases.

It might end up being sort of ok if you're on Nvidia and have an official repository for nvidia-drivers (or your package manager supports seamlessly installing packages from different branches with little trouble) since you won't ever need to update the rest of the stack, but if you're on AMD you'll want to stick to the latest mesa which is definitely not going to play nice with older packages on an LTS branch.

Quoting: no_information_hereNo.

I have no idea how you came to this wrong conclusion, but you can easily correct your information.

Oh no, a random comment suggesting my null point should be revised without even considering the implications, how will I ever recover?

Ubuntu has been updating the proprietary Nvidia drivers for both LTS and non-LTS for a while now, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NVidiaUpdates [External Link]

There is usually a delay of around 2 months, but 460 cam on release day, or day after, due to the security bugs in 455, which then was removed.

Rolling kernel, xorg and mesa updates with the HWE updates have been around for much longer, but only LTS. Non-LTS get a new release with newer versions of everything every half year. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/RollingLTSEnablementStack [External Link]

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack [External Link]

Rolling does not always equal bleeding edge, but that major new versions come to the LTS without requiring a release upgrade to a newer release.

Those updates top newer kernel, xorg, mesa and nvidia drivers do not come fast enough for some, but do for others.
And its a fact that you can get those upgraded without adding extra repositories.

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Quoting: Beamboom... and now it's added to the graphics drivers PPA! (Ubuntu)

They got added to the normal Ubuntu repositories for 18.04, 20.04 and 20.10 on the same day this time, so without the usual months long delay.https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-460

I mostly stopped using the PPA since Ubuntu updates them in released distributions, but normally they do not get them on the day or the next day of release. Its usually around 2 months else.

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Quoting: notinuseStrange, when I click on the Gog page banner, it forwards to the "On sale" game page. If I search for Brigador, I get a result of $8.99. I must be doing something wrong, although I've had no problem in the past with free Gog games.

I clicked on the countdown too first.

You have to scroll down on the main page then there is a link to claim Brigador.

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Quoting: Phlebiac

Quoting: pb

Quoting: pbI'm gaming on SteamOS 2, but eagerly waiting for SteamOS 3. :whistle:

I trust it will, or maybe they will skip a number or release SteamOS 4 (because 3 was already in the works but they scrapped it

Don't forget that Valve has an aversion to the number 3. ;-)

And then there is also Valve Time [External Link]

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Quoting: AsciiWolf

Quoting: EikeThis is the opposite I'm recommending everybody in the Steam forums (for any distribution). Because the distribution makers have the same package and more knowledge of their distribution than the user or even Valve. Is this claim based on anything?

I was helping with the steam package update for Ubuntu 20.04. There are multiple problems with this package:

One of them is that the steam package is not autosynced from Debian because of custom Ubuntu changes. So, every time there is a new Ubuntu release, someone has to update this package manually (or keep it outdated). For example, in Ubuntu 20.10, the package is still on version 1.0.0.61-2 instead of the latest 1.0.0.68. This outdated version has multiple issues, for example missing dependency on bubblewrap (that, as far as I know, is required by Pressure Vessel to work properly) and xdg-desktop-portal (that is used by Proton since 5.13 to be able to open web URLs when running in a Pressure Vessel container). Or, for example, outdated udev rules missing some new devices. etc.

Other problem with the steam package is that because of how SRU [External Link]s are handled in Ubuntu, the package is usually only updated when a new Ubuntu release is out and updates are not backported into older Ubuntu releases (including LTS). Because SRUs for "feature updates" are usually not accepted in Ubuntu, only for bugfixes and minor updates (patches). Bigger updates or modified dependencies are also usually not accepted for SRUs. In other words, it's unlikely that, for example, the missing bubblewrap/xdg-desktop-portal steam package dependencies will be added in current Ubuntu releases, although they break Proton.

It is not good that a steam update for 20.10 was missed. I was actually testing 20.10 with steam and a lot of other on system during its development, but never noticed that the steam package was never updated, Steam itself is auto updating and worked for all I tried with it including some games with proton.

There is now an update coming for hirsute which will release as 21.04, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/steam/+bug/1901689 [External Link] with the intention to bring it in sync with Debian. It was recently tested: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/call-for-testing-steam-in-hirsute-hippo/19714 [External Link]

And I would say it is possible 20.04 and maybe 20.10 will get it via SRU, there are packages that get SRUs for major releases like firefox, nvidia-drivers and then the HWE kernel xorg and mesa upgrades for LTS with the HWE around 3 months later than the intermediate release that has those versions.

What is actually broken apart for missing dependencies in the current steam package? Maybe I have those dependencies already or I just didnt try the features not working.

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Quoting: pbI'm gaming on SteamOS 2, but eagerly waiting for SteamOS 3. :whistle:

I liked SteamOS too for the PC I have connected to the TV, but it has got no updates including security updates since summer 2019, so I gave up on it. I doubt SteamOS 3.0 will ever be releases, and if then how can we trusty Valve to not also drop support on that without any announcement?

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