Quoting: drlambI just snagged overcooked 2 after playing it with some friends over the weekend. That game gets intense!

I wish Feral would hurry up and sell Shadow of the Tomb Raider. Can't buy and give away copies that can't be bought! (My wallet says Take your time feral).

Sadly it's still in the outer ring of their radar so it looks like it will take quite some time more before it's released :-(. Watched the movie and replayed both games this weekend so I too incidently was in the mood for Shadow of the Tomb Raider.

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What would you like to see improved next in the Steam Client?

I would like to see some short game description in the Game Details view, as is now I have to go to the store page for some games that I bought ages ago in order to see what they actually are :)

Secondly I'm actually perplexed why Valve have not put some notification feature that tells you that Game X now have new DLC to purchase, one would assume that this would be in their interest.

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Quoting: tonR

Quoting: F.UltraThe EU does not want a single price throughout the whole of EU, this is about allowing products and services to be sold and exchanged freely across the single EU market. They are not against regional pricing.

Understood and noted. But IMO, it sounds more like forcing to sells in one price across EU. That's my interpretation, not expert in EU laws or anything EU in general.

Let's say I'm not a big fan with current EU system right now, for many reasons. So, my opinion kinda skeptical here and there on EU.

But again, what I learned from history is... Any actions will have reactions.

So, if EU still being so busybody like this, I confidently said other pissed governments/entities ensure "Dieselgate 2.0" will certainly happens. And I ensure you, it will be worst than "the Dieselgate" now.

Just we don't know yet which industry will be "jackpotted"..

Again, price is not something that the EU is looking at what so ever, this is only about geo-blocking on the second hand market.

So VW put a NOx-related defeat device in their test cars in order to bypass emission regulations, what on earth does that have to do with EU finding Valve and the 5 other companies breaching the anti geo-blocking regulations other than in both cases a company is found (or in this case, possible found since this is just a preliminary finding) breaching regulations?

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Quoting: tonRI looking at larger perspective. Let's say EC wanted game prices as single, cheaper price basing on EUR. Perhaps €30-40 flat across EEA?
IMO. if EU really asking for "Dieselgate 2.0" to happen if they keeps too nosey like this. Which industry I dunno..

p/s: Also, at least y'all still have rights to criticise. If I done that, probably Black Maria will be infront my house later.

The EU does not want a single price throughout the whole of EU, this is about allowing products and services to be sold and exchanged freely across the single EU market. They are not against regional pricing.

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Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: F.Ultra

Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: F.Ultra

Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: F.UltraWhat's the confusing part? You cannot have a single market if players can segment said market into sections of their own making. Either you sell to the whole EU as a single market or you don't sell at all.

The thing is I don't care how thorough the EU single market is, since I don't have an ideological preference for such things. Sure, the EU is a single market as a matter of fact, and sure, that status is important to many EU bureaucrats. But that isn't a statement about what policy is good for people in the EU. You could perfectly well have policies which violated or attenuated that status but were good policies.
And even if the EU were an actual country that wouldn't preclude the possibility of trade barriers between sub-units; there are trade barriers and "buy local" policies in Canadian provinces and even municipalities. They're not huge, but they're there.

The single market is not important to "many EU bureaucrats", it's one of the fundamental blocks of the whole EU. If the single market is deemed bad policy then this have to be changed through the normal political chain (elections and so forth) but as it stands now the "law is the law" so it's not like the people enforcing the regulation can look the other way just because they feel personally that the outcome might be bad for the people in the EU, that is for the voters and then the politicians to decide.

Just googled around for your interprovincial trade barriers in Canada and I must say that the vast majority of results where from people and organisations that talked about how much problem they cause. Now I know nothing about the state of this in Canada but it sure sounds crazy.

The reality is that most people don't give a damn or really notice them. They are small, and mainly exist for fairly limited local goals. However, right wing politicians have to have something to call out. We've already got free trade with practically everybody, and they've already killed most of the social programs that don't have massive public support. So there have been some cases of provincial pols getting a bee in their bonnet about the horrors of provincial trade barriers so they can have something to campaign on.
But the reality is that there has never been such a thing as completely barrier-free trade; there probably never will be. The argument basically can't be over whether there will be barriers, but about how big and what the barriers will be.
So I don't find the claim persuasive that somehow if any barrier exists the status of the EU as a common market will implode in a puff of logic. There are surely barriers now, some more formal than others. There will be barriers next year and ten years from now, no matter what decisions get made about this particular one.

Okey I can buy that. On top of that, if you somehow can use those barriers to keep Jordan Peterson locked inside Canada then I will unconditionally endorse your interprovincial trade barriers any day of the week!

I would certainly endorse performing that international service!

Me Happy :-)

As a small side note to this whole "debate", the main problem here is not that EU is trying to remove social programs, the problem is that major parts of Europe is now controlled by conservative governments and this have shifted the EU policies to the right. Aka EU is not right leaning conservative by definition, it's just how the European political map looks right now and is why things like Article 11 and 13 is passed (since the majority of the member states voted yes).

edit: I realise that this can be seen as hardcode nit-picking but my issue is that the Internet is so full of the Putin sponsored alt-right groups that are arguing for the dismemberment of the EU that I feel that it's important to distinguish between EU politics and European politics if that makes sense, or in other words the problem is not with the EU as such but with Europe as a whole.

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Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: F.Ultra

Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: F.UltraWhat's the confusing part? You cannot have a single market if players can segment said market into sections of their own making. Either you sell to the whole EU as a single market or you don't sell at all.

The thing is I don't care how thorough the EU single market is, since I don't have an ideological preference for such things. Sure, the EU is a single market as a matter of fact, and sure, that status is important to many EU bureaucrats. But that isn't a statement about what policy is good for people in the EU. You could perfectly well have policies which violated or attenuated that status but were good policies.
And even if the EU were an actual country that wouldn't preclude the possibility of trade barriers between sub-units; there are trade barriers and "buy local" policies in Canadian provinces and even municipalities. They're not huge, but they're there.

The single market is not important to "many EU bureaucrats", it's one of the fundamental blocks of the whole EU. If the single market is deemed bad policy then this have to be changed through the normal political chain (elections and so forth) but as it stands now the "law is the law" so it's not like the people enforcing the regulation can look the other way just because they feel personally that the outcome might be bad for the people in the EU, that is for the voters and then the politicians to decide.

Just googled around for your interprovincial trade barriers in Canada and I must say that the vast majority of results where from people and organisations that talked about how much problem they cause. Now I know nothing about the state of this in Canada but it sure sounds crazy.

The reality is that most people don't give a damn or really notice them. They are small, and mainly exist for fairly limited local goals. However, right wing politicians have to have something to call out. We've already got free trade with practically everybody, and they've already killed most of the social programs that don't have massive public support. So there have been some cases of provincial pols getting a bee in their bonnet about the horrors of provincial trade barriers so they can have something to campaign on.
But the reality is that there has never been such a thing as completely barrier-free trade; there probably never will be. The argument basically can't be over whether there will be barriers, but about how big and what the barriers will be.
So I don't find the claim persuasive that somehow if any barrier exists the status of the EU as a common market will implode in a puff of logic. There are surely barriers now, some more formal than others. There will be barriers next year and ten years from now, no matter what decisions get made about this particular one.

Okey I can buy that. On top of that, if you somehow can use those barriers to keep Jordan Peterson locked inside Canada then I will unconditionally endorse your interprovincial trade barriers any day of the week!

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Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: F.UltraWhat's the confusing part? You cannot have a single market if players can segment said market into sections of their own making. Either you sell to the whole EU as a single market or you don't sell at all.

The thing is I don't care how thorough the EU single market is, since I don't have an ideological preference for such things. Sure, the EU is a single market as a matter of fact, and sure, that status is important to many EU bureaucrats. But that isn't a statement about what policy is good for people in the EU. You could perfectly well have policies which violated or attenuated that status but were good policies.
And even if the EU were an actual country that wouldn't preclude the possibility of trade barriers between sub-units; there are trade barriers and "buy local" policies in Canadian provinces and even municipalities. They're not huge, but they're there.

The single market is not important to "many EU bureaucrats", it's one of the fundamental blocks of the whole EU. If the single market is deemed bad policy then this have to be changed through the normal political chain (elections and so forth) but as it stands now the "law is the law" so it's not like the people enforcing the regulation can look the other way just because they feel personally that the outcome might be bad for the people in the EU, that is for the voters and then the politicians to decide.

Just googled around for your interprovincial trade barriers in Canada and I must say that the vast majority of results where from people and organisations that talked about how much problem they cause. Now I know nothing about the state of this in Canada but it sure sounds crazy.

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Quoting: Julius

Quoting: F.Ultra

Quoting: Julius

Quoting: F.UltraNow you are spreading the myth that EU is undemocratic which is blatantly false.

The EU Comission consists of people assigned by the government of each member state, so by definition fully democratic since they are appointed by the government that we the EU citizens have voted for in our national elections.
The EU Council consists of the heads of state of each member state, so people that we EU citizens vote on in our national elections.
The EU parliament consists of people that we as EU citizens vote on in the EU elections, again fully democratic.

While I agree that the EU is somewhat democratic, that is sadly a gross misrepresentation of the actual very limited democratic process involved :(

The EU commissioners are selected by the commission's president, who in turn is appointed by the governments of the EU countries, basically the heads of states in this case... which may or may not have been voted for. The actually democratically elected parliaments of the member states do not play a role in this at all. However the EU parliament has to agree to the complete team (yes or no, not individuals).
Regarding the council, again representation of governments, not actually elected members of parliament, which is at most a indirect form of democracy.
And the EU parliament, probably the most democratic of these three, is both largely powerless and also not truly democratic as not every persons vote counts the same in the elections.

Representative democracy is already how all of the member states operate nationally so if the EU Commission and Council is defined as "somewhat democratic" than the exact same applies to every single democratic country in the world.

True, but also very much a matter of degree. Switzerland is clearly more democratic than Germany. And Germany is clearly more democratic than the EU. As Germany is already a very indirect democracy, the EU can rightfully be called quite undemocratic (despite not being a totalitarian regime).

But I disagree with the "EU lobbycracy" statement someone else did... largely the same which happens in the national governments and even more so dirty "EU washing" happens by national lobby driven governments (=pointing the blame to the EU when in fact it is a unpopular but national decision).

Ok Switzerland is a good example of direct democracy, forgot about those crazy swiss :). And I have a very hard time seeing how Germany would be more democratic than the EU, in fact the Germany political system looks quite equal to that of the EU?!

For the rest I think that Three Arrows (who is German) explains it best in his Brexit video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_HdqYCDcVE [External Link]

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Quoting: F.Ultra

Quoting: Purple Library GuyNow you are spreading the myth that EU is undemocratic which is blatantly false.

Sure? And why could lobbyist e.g. take part of the negotiation of TTIP, but it was a secret for us - the citizens? And whom do I vote, if I do not have the chance to know, what he is doing in my name?

Is this really democracy? IMHO it is more some lobbycracy. Lobbyist have more power in Brüssel then the EU citizens have. That is, for example, a lack of democracy.
And the more these organization are away from control of their citizens, the more democracy looses.

And in my feelings, they also try to hide the facts, which things the parliament people did or do. E.G. if you look at things, that Tendering rules do not apply to Microsoft.

There are a lot of things, where the EU breaks their rules. If you define rules in a kind of democratic process, but you break them again and again - IMHO that is not really democracy.

But perhaps we get to off topic here.

Not saying that everything is 100% perfect or that things cannot be improved but the EU is just as democratic as any national country. You also do not vote directly for every single person with power in your national election. And those lobby groups are just as active in your national level, e.g when the question regarding Software Patents where voted on Ericsson put high pressure on our Swedish politicians (and Nokia did the same in Finland) to vote for such patents. Lobbying is one ugly mofo but let's be real here and understand that they exists not only on the EU level.

TTIP was also secret in the US and in every single EU member state. And I can guarantee that your country have been involved in secret negotiations with other countries as well.

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Quoting: Julius

Quoting: F.UltraNow you are spreading the myth that EU is undemocratic which is blatantly false.

The EU Comission consists of people assigned by the government of each member state, so by definition fully democratic since they are appointed by the government that we the EU citizens have voted for in our national elections.
The EU Council consists of the heads of state of each member state, so people that we EU citizens vote on in our national elections.
The EU parliament consists of people that we as EU citizens vote on in the EU elections, again fully democratic.

While I agree that the EU is somewhat democratic, that is sadly a gross misrepresentation of the actual very limited democratic process involved :(

The EU commissioners are selected by the commission's president, who in turn is appointed by the governments of the EU countries, basically the heads of states in this case... which may or may not have been voted for. The actually democratically elected parliaments of the member states do not play a role in this at all. However the EU parliament has to agree to the complete team (yes or no, not individuals).
Regarding the council, again representation of governments, not actually elected members of parliament, which is at most a indirect form of democracy.
And the EU parliament, probably the most democratic of these three, is both largely powerless and also not truly democratic as not every persons vote counts the same in the elections.

Representative democracy is already how all of the member states operate nationally so if the EU Commission and Council is defined as "somewhat democratic" than the exact same applies to every single democratic country in the world.

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