Quoting: HexDSLthe port was crappy when it was released. people complained because they couldnt play crappy port.. port fixed, people stop complaining...

The message that the porting team SHOULD have taken from this "dont ship broken game!"

The message they DID take from this was "screw them for calling us out on broken shit, lets not give them anything else"

Ill be honest, if THIS is their attitude, im not even sure i WANT their port any more.

They should have expected complaints and criticism, sure. They should not have expected, nor should they have received, hate mail and death threats to personal mailboxes.

On the other hand, I too don’t believe that such Internet shitstorm was the reason further work on ports were discontinued. I don’t want to believe that CDPR people decided to dump Linux just because of some Internet guys with anger-managements issues.

I live in Poland, I work in IT (not in gamedev though), and my hypothesis is that the business people, the shareholders, might have opposed the Linux ports since the beginning and used that whole shitstorm to stop all the Linux efforts without a rational reason, just because of their personal agenda – because eg. they have some irrational(?) fear that maintaining Linux port will eat up all their money and give no revenue back, and Windows is what they know, what their kids play on, and so what they believe in. The fact that SteamOS did not catch on did not help too.

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Ogórki (cucumbers), DUPA (arse), верь в капусту! (trust in cabbage!)… that game will be your reason to learn Slavic languages.

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Seems he is doing this game to prove that his upcoming laguage Jai is good enough to make a complex game in. And when you want to interest programmers interested in modern programming languages, you have to show that your code runs on Linux and macOS (and, preferably, other Unixes).

So it makes sense that he will build this game for Linux just to show it is possible, so that his language cannot be rejected by his audience on the presumption that it’s Windows-only. It doesn’t mean he starts loving Linux or he will do anything beyond this proof-of-concept on Linux ever.

Also, I’ve just read a few things about Jai here – I don’t have time to listen to Blow’s own presentations on Youtube right now to verify correctness of this source – and the section called WHY NOT USE C++/RUST/GO/D/SWIFT/HASKELL/LISP/ETC? gave actually not a single argument against using Rust… (and not that there are none – eg. ecosystem is still a bit immature, but games written in Rust still start appearing on Steam right now.

But, anyway, the Jai language itself looks quite nice for somebody who just wants a little bit more polished C, with a little easier (but still very manual and pretty cumbersome) memory management (and certainly better than C++ in that regard).

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Quoting: AryvandaarSomehow related:

http://www.networkworld.com/article/3190832/security/bypass-microsofts-update-block-for-windows-7-8-1-pcs-with-kaby-lake-ryzen.html

According to that, Windows warns users: “Your PC uses a processor that is designed for the latest version of Windows.” – ROTFL. I’d be glad to see some references stating that Intel purposefully designed their processor for a particular version of this particular operating system.

They could have been just a little bit less insolent and at least write something like “Your PC uses a processor that your version of Windows was not designed for” or sth similar. Microsoft never stops delivering in their marketing trying to form reality into one where everything computers-related happens around Windows.
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Quoting: lucifertdark

Quoting: EikeThese Linnux suxors are just to cheap for a real os...!

Windows 10 was free. ;)

If you had an earlier version of Windows, maybe. That’s still not free of charge for people looking for an OS for their OS-less hardware, nor free-as-in-freedom. ;-)

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Strange. I come to the Gaming on Windows 10 site to read some proper Win10 and Xbox Live content, hopefully with modern cutting-edge technologies like DX12, and what I see is articles about some Vulkan in Unity games on Linux. Shite.

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I fully agree with your post. But I have some related thoughts on what I’d like the gaming world to look like, which would probably change the picture a bit – but the world, unfortunately, isn’t the way I’d like it to be, so it’s pretty much meaningless thoughts, nevertheless I’ll share them ;-).

I’d like to live in a world where commercial games sell the content (story and art) while the game logic is opensource and works with the assets on every supported platform of your choosing, but that’s utopian and even hardly technically possible (as some of the game’s art is coded in game’s logic, shaders, etc.).

So in the era of closed gaming consoles I can live with pay-for-platform model, although, again I’d like to think about ecosystem such as Steam as a platform, and not about underlying Linux, Windows, macOS, nor about underlying x86, x86-64, arm, nVidia, ATI, …, hardware. In this model I’d buy a game for one single platform, but that platform would be Steam – and I’d be able to play it on any computer with Steam, or Xbox Live – and I’d be able to play on any modern enough Xbox console or a Windows PC, etc.

But that’s also hard because of technical reasons – operating systems and hardware platforms of those ecosystem-platforms vary and games need to be ported, tested and later supported. So more often the underlying OS or hardware is considered platform than the ecosystem-platform.

And, à propos, some argue that they agree for their PC game to be bound to the platform – PC – but they want to be able to play the game on that same hardware no matter what operating system there is – Linux, Windows, macOS – because it is the same box with the same metal in it, and not a console. Well, using this argumentation, one should also demand console games to work just the same on every PC, as the modern consoles are PCs with a different OS and libraries. They have the same GPUs you can buy for your PC, the same CPUs, similar motherboards, etc., only their drivers, input devices, OS and user interface differ.

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Quoting: liamdaweDo you really need to be so pedantic? You know what I meant.

I didn’t at first – my initial thought after reading this sentence was “11 % of Linux gamers? That sounds like about a half of AMD users. Cannot be true, has to be much less.” Only after I checked the stats myself, I understood you indeed mean AMD Linux gamers, not all of them.

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QuoteOur own statistics have users telling us that only around 11% of Linux gamers use the proprietary AMD driver.

Not true.

According to your own statistics only 11.44 % of AMD Linux users use proprietary drivers. And as only 21.25 % Linux gamers use AMD GPUs, it is only 2.43 % of Linux gamers that use AMD proprietary drivers. ;-)

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Well, 10 thousand years would be enough to forget current technology (and yet have it somehow usable). One million years would be good too. But one billion years is 1/4 of the current lifetime of the Solar System. It’s 1/3 of the time there’s been life in it. It is five thousand times as long as humans have existed on Earth (first homo sapiens showed up on Earth ca. 200,000 years ago). It is not unreasonable to believe humans won’t be on Earth in a billion years, and if some intelligent species is here, it will be totally different kind of animal than we are, because evolution. But in a billion years the Earth might just be inhabitable or might not exist at all as well.

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