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Quoting: GuestFrom a source code perspective, C is actually a very portable language. It might also have fewer dependencies, especially if you stick to POSIX, and quite probably a lower memory footprint once compiled. But I suspect in this case it's more that C can be used to create abstractions over the platform dependent sections, and python bindings will be provided on top of those.

Quoting: aluminumgriffinQuick thing about the C vs Python for being portable.
A python interpreter is a quite hefty penalty, and also there are C-compilers for _far_ more target-systems than there are platforms with python-interpreters.

Also, with C you basically "only" need to port the libs in use (with shims for everything you don't care about) when moving to an esoteric platform (this kinda was the purpose of C to begin with) while with Python you need to port the entire intepreter.

For a bit extreme case that still is easy to imagine - consider the case of an arduino (say, for an homebrew arcade machine). What would you find the easiest to do: port a C-program to fit into a couple of kB of memory, or try to wedge an entire interpreter in those same kB?

And as an aside, when working from another language it is a lot easier to interface with C than with Python (the former is often fairly automated as well as being common, not so about the latter).

Fair points. I actually had to look up Arduino though, but it makes perfect sense that someone might want to couple a commodity control device there.

The reason for my question was that I was under the impression, that C would outright sabotage the portability when targetting mainstream mobile devices, though that impression as apparently wrong.

I'm still confused though, as to whether the GUI portion CAN be portable that way.

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Wait... How is porting it to C making it more portable? I thought using C requires more platform-specific code.

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Quoting: ShmerlGood. I hope they'll stay on itch.io, instead of pulling Valheim and Co. by stopping updates and directing their users to Steam.

Not entirely sure. If support on smaller platforms is subpar, I'd rather just use Steam.

Heck, I repurchased previously-owned-on-GoG M&B: Warband on Steam (albeit on a 66% sale) just to be eligible for the Achievements :)

Of course it would be better if all platforms were supported equally, especially when asking equal pricing. Sadly there's a good chance, the overhead isn't worth it for small developers.

It is funny how you can get "platform dependent" features, where "platforms" suddenly means "store" instead of "OS".

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Quoting: Tchey[...]But they need time, and they tend too often to stop being developed before reaching the "fun" point. Even large challengers, like Gnomoria, wasted potential, releasing the game as "done" while it was a surprise for most, expecting at least several more months of content and polish.[...]

For these games what is nowadays "early access" should really more be though of as "as-if offer". They are only fully alive, while user-feedback still has a chance of being implemented, and should not be judged by what is planned for them, but by what they are now.

Sadly, they ALSO seriously lack a functioning monetization model. In reality, they are "living" games, that change all the time, yet I cannot imagine a monetization model that would yield recurring revenue, without ruining the fun in the games.

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The video makes me curious :)

Such games, when implemented in 3D graphics, usually suffer from subpar camera controls, where 3D turns into a liability. Plus significant lag, every time the slicing view is changed, if it works well at all.

2D games especially instead often omit the vertical dimension entirely.

So, any 2D building game with "layers" has my interest. I'd play dwarf fortress though, if it were accessible enough for a little bit of evening relaxation.

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Quoting: razing32Isn't War for the Overworld basically a carbon copy clone of Dungeon Keeper.
Unless I remember incorrectly it should still have the possession mechanic.

True. I forgot about that one.

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Quoting: lucifertdarkHave they never heard of an ignore button? or a block button? other places if someone is giving you grief you can block their silly ass. This moderating of speech is only going to get worse & one day YOU, yes all of YOU reading this will be on the wrong end of it, because some Social Just-us Wheenie Participation Trophy Winner didn't like the way you said something & reported you to the moderator & they agreed with them.

What's next? banned from the forums then banned from playing the games you've paid for?

I'm going through a years community ban because of some of those types of people hating my guts for disliking denuvo and expressing that on steam forums

All I did was share a screenshot of one of them admitting they've pirated things before to me in a private steam chat, along with another screenshot of them following me to my friends profile to throw abuse at me.

The person was also literally on a Volunteer Moderators steam profile, posting in their comments claiming I was posting their personal information, when all I was posting was that user admitting to piracy, and him and his friends constantly harassing me and baiting me (along with anyone else who dares question denuvo software)

People should be allowed to criticize a game (or a software that game uses) without being harassed, but a lot of folk simply can't handle a game they like being criticized, personally some of my FAVOURITE games are the ones I will criticize the most

https://i.imgur.com/jxMBknZ.png [External Link]

Take a look at that, right? To you, does that post break any rules? It literally didn't break a single rule, yet this person banned me because of a certain person who kept spamming up these volunteer moderators profiles trying to get me in trouble. When I messaged that volunteer moderator back he basically told me to go F myself

Yet the one who reported me, the user has made remarks about people who dislike denuvo being part of the alt-right and being nazis, yet that sort of behavior is somehow allowed. That same user used the recent florida mass shooting to troll some anti-denuvo folk as well, and all the volunteer moderators did was remove the post for the user to allow him to continue trolling

https://i.imgur.com/agWkFC1.png [External Link]

"Any of you trolls have insider information on the Florida shooting" - apparently isn't breaking the rules

I'm sure it's just a coincidence though that he has posts ALL OVER various different volunteer moderators profiles, apparentely brown nosing is acceptable, saying it how it is.. isn't.

I've seen another volunteer moderator admit to changing his profile picture to anime literally just to bait people.

My friend knows someone who got perma-banned from Life is Strange forums for calling the story mediocre.

So in all honesty I don't think official Valve employees can do any worse in censoring things they don't like, voltuneer moderators already do that from my experience. Valves volunteer moderators should be scrapped altogether for people on an actual pay-role to mod the forums.

Sorry for the long post, but I doubt the steam forums will ever be a nice place to have mature discussions about PC gaming, that's why places like GOL are so much better.

BINGO! the rot is already there & it's only going to get worse. They need to get rational people in instead of those who think receiving a partition award is a good thing. Just wait till they start going through all older posts to find something to ban you for that you said 5+ years ago.

Tbh I probably have made some toxic posts myself on steam forums a few years ago, maybe even some on the Sonic Maniaforums, in-fact when that volunteer moderator banned me for that post, I asked him why since the post clearly didn't break any rules and all he kept doing was mentioning previous offenses made years ago on entirely different forums.

I initially only wanted to express that I wanted denuvo removed from my copy of Sonic Mania that I paid for, seeing as how it had already been cracked. It ended up turning into a HUGE shit-show, one that still carries on to this day over a year later. The real trolls in that forum never got banned imo.

But I've always tried to just say it how it is, and as you can see for yourself that user who had it in for me, constantly reporting me.. He used some recent shooting in america to troll people, which is pretty messed up.. yet the moderators don't do anything. I have many screenshots of that same user being VERY active on these moderators profiles, reporting other people.

I know 100% for a fact that if you want to get people banned while also breaking rules yourself, brown-nose the volunteer moderators by posting on their steam profiles. Seemed to work for those guys :-\

This is why I never post anything on Steam. You cannot have any dissent view against the game or it will become like what you'd experience right now. BUT, if you have "licking the butt" attitude, you're basicly got a permanent "free pass". I'd seen this poop getting worse every day based on my observation.

Another sad things is the developers/game companies inaction regarding on this. We don't know either they agree or disagree on this kind of moderation, but generally if you (the devs) staying quiet, you're agree or enabling this to happens. So, It's like they give the community (especially moderators) blessing to keep on going making poops.

p/s: I'm looking on that game's Steam community hub. They agreed to Denuvo? What?!
Yeah, this kind of community behaviour.... probably?

Not only are those trolls trying to advocate Denuvo like it's the best thing ever, they're also trying to discredit GOG and telling people not to buy from there

https://steamcommunity.com/app/750920/discussions/0/2590022385658826774/?ctp=4#c1742220359692656022 [External Link]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/312200/discussions/0/1741090847744729088/#c1741090847744780621 [External Link]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/584400/discussions/0/2595630410182430408/?ctp=35#c3211505894104140159 [External Link]

But yeah, I'm certaintely not going to be returning to steam forums when my community ban gets lifted, I can't really even if I wanted to seeing as how those volunteer mods could ban me for literally anything, even if I don't break any rules

Do those people get paid to support Denuvo or something ?
Like I really don't get why anyone would so adamantly defend DRM of all things.
Console fanboys I can get , when they think "mine is better than yours" , but this just defies all logic.

I can only assume they aren't old enough to remember things like Securom or the sony rootkit scandal.

But hell, it's hardly surprising to me anymore.. Some people even defended the use of paid character slots in that Metal Gear Survive game, it seems these goliath companies can't do anything wrong anymore

Ahh damn , you're right.
I forgot two things.
1.Kids exist on the internet
2.Fanboys of franchises exist and will defend them tooth and nail. Even to the point of parroting nonsensical corporate buzzwords about piracy/copy protection.

I found that when you try critizing abusive F2P mechanics, there will also always be users defending them with non-senical reasoning. "It is intentional, to slow down the pace to a fun degree". Which, if the game could be played at a slightly faster pace without straight-out becoming a whale, would even make sense. Specific case: A harry Potter game. [External Link]

I think i have seen the game in question.
I believe it was particularly bad. Similar to Dungeon Keeper by EA ( or any mobile game that offers gems or any other kind of premium currency)

It is actually pretty good, if you play it as a light-weight mobile adventure game rather than expecting PC-game level complexity from it. Judging from me playing Deponia on iOS, that just wouldn't translate well to mobile anyway. However, being a good game underneath makes the energy-system hurt even more. If it was outright bad, I wouldn't care.

The DungeonKeeper game was actually quite fun too (though I didn't play it at release, when it got a lot of backlash, so the F2P stuff may have been toned down). The part that hurt here was craving for a new full Dungeon Keeper game, and instead being given a mobile interpretation that has only the most superficial aspects in common with the originals. A big part of the dungeon-keeper experience was for me leading your troops in first-person into the final conquest by possessing your troops. All current-generation DK-alikes lack this part, which makes a new Dungeon Keeper game lacking it too basically adding insult to injury.

Had the DK mobile game been released in parallel to Dungeon Keeper 3, it would probably have been widely considered a nice mobile tie-in.

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Quoting: lucifertdark

Quoting: Guest

Quoting: lucifertdarkHave they never heard of an ignore button? or a block button? other places if someone is giving you grief you can block their silly ass. This moderating of speech is only going to get worse & one day YOU, yes all of YOU reading this will be on the wrong end of it, because some Social Just-us Wheenie Participation Trophy Winner didn't like the way you said something & reported you to the moderator & they agreed with them.

What's next? banned from the forums then banned from playing the games you've paid for?

I'm going through a years community ban because of some of those types of people hating my guts for disliking denuvo and expressing that on steam forums

All I did was share a screenshot of one of them admitting they've pirated things before to me in a private steam chat, along with another screenshot of them following me to my friends profile to throw abuse at me.

The person was also literally on a Volunteer Moderators steam profile, posting in their comments claiming I was posting their personal information, when all I was posting was that user admitting to piracy, and him and his friends constantly harassing me and baiting me (along with anyone else who dares question denuvo software)

People should be allowed to criticize a game (or a software that game uses) without being harassed, but a lot of folk simply can't handle a game they like being criticized, personally some of my FAVOURITE games are the ones I will criticize the most

https://i.imgur.com/jxMBknZ.png [External Link]

Take a look at that, right? To you, does that post break any rules? It literally didn't break a single rule, yet this person banned me because of a certain person who kept spamming up these volunteer moderators profiles trying to get me in trouble. When I messaged that volunteer moderator back he basically told me to go F myself

Yet the one who reported me, the user has made remarks about people who dislike denuvo being part of the alt-right and being nazis, yet that sort of behavior is somehow allowed. That same user used the recent florida mass shooting to troll some anti-denuvo folk as well, and all the volunteer moderators did was remove the post for the user to allow him to continue trolling

https://i.imgur.com/agWkFC1.png [External Link]

"Any of you trolls have insider information on the Florida shooting" - apparently isn't breaking the rules

I'm sure it's just a coincidence though that he has posts ALL OVER various different volunteer moderators profiles, apparentely brown nosing is acceptable, saying it how it is.. isn't.

I've seen another volunteer moderator admit to changing his profile picture to anime literally just to bait people.

My friend knows someone who got perma-banned from Life is Strange forums for calling the story mediocre.

So in all honesty I don't think official Valve employees can do any worse in censoring things they don't like, voltuneer moderators already do that from my experience. Valves volunteer moderators should be scrapped altogether for people on an actual pay-role to mod the forums.

Sorry for the long post, but I doubt the steam forums will ever be a nice place to have mature discussions about PC gaming, that's why places like GOL are so much better.

BINGO! the rot is already there & it's only going to get worse. They need to get rational people in instead of those who think receiving a partition award is a good thing. Just wait till they start going through all older posts to find something to ban you for that you said 5+ years ago.

Tbh I probably have made some toxic posts myself on steam forums a few years ago, maybe even some on the Sonic Maniaforums, in-fact when that volunteer moderator banned me for that post, I asked him why since the post clearly didn't break any rules and all he kept doing was mentioning previous offenses made years ago on entirely different forums.

I initially only wanted to express that I wanted denuvo removed from my copy of Sonic Mania that I paid for, seeing as how it had already been cracked. It ended up turning into a HUGE shit-show, one that still carries on to this day over a year later. The real trolls in that forum never got banned imo.

But I've always tried to just say it how it is, and as you can see for yourself that user who had it in for me, constantly reporting me.. He used some recent shooting in america to troll people, which is pretty messed up.. yet the moderators don't do anything. I have many screenshots of that same user being VERY active on these moderators profiles, reporting other people.

I know 100% for a fact that if you want to get people banned while also breaking rules yourself, brown-nose the volunteer moderators by posting on their steam profiles. Seemed to work for those guys :-\

This is why I never post anything on Steam. You cannot have any dissent view against the game or it will become like what you'd experience right now. BUT, if you have "licking the butt" attitude, you're basicly got a permanent "free pass". I'd seen this poop getting worse every day based on my observation.

Another sad things is the developers/game companies inaction regarding on this. We don't know either they agree or disagree on this kind of moderation, but generally if you (the devs) staying quiet, you're agree or enabling this to happens. So, It's like they give the community (especially moderators) blessing to keep on going making poops.

p/s: I'm looking on that game's Steam community hub. They agreed to Denuvo? What?!
Yeah, this kind of community behaviour.... probably?

Not only are those trolls trying to advocate Denuvo like it's the best thing ever, they're also trying to discredit GOG and telling people not to buy from there

https://steamcommunity.com/app/750920/discussions/0/2590022385658826774/?ctp=4#c1742220359692656022 [External Link]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/312200/discussions/0/1741090847744729088/#c1741090847744780621 [External Link]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/584400/discussions/0/2595630410182430408/?ctp=35#c3211505894104140159 [External Link]

But yeah, I'm certaintely not going to be returning to steam forums when my community ban gets lifted, I can't really even if I wanted to seeing as how those volunteer mods could ban me for literally anything, even if I don't break any rules

Do those people get paid to support Denuvo or something ?
Like I really don't get why anyone would so adamantly defend DRM of all things.
Console fanboys I can get , when they think "mine is better than yours" , but this just defies all logic.

I can only assume they aren't old enough to remember things like Securom or the sony rootkit scandal.

But hell, it's hardly surprising to me anymore.. Some people even defended the use of paid character slots in that Metal Gear Survive game, it seems these goliath companies can't do anything wrong anymore

Ahh damn , you're right.
I forgot two things.
1.Kids exist on the internet
2.Fanboys of franchises exist and will defend them tooth and nail. Even to the point of parroting nonsensical corporate buzzwords about piracy/copy protection.

I found that when you try critizing abusive F2P mechanics, there will also always be users defending them with non-senical reasoning. "It is intentional, to slow down the pace to a fun degree". Which, if the game could be played at a slightly faster pace without straight-out becoming a whale, would even make sense. Specific case: A harry Potter game. [External Link]

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I am a bit surprised about the comments on Germany. I would have expected all those same things to apply in Austria too, and while I know that censorship’s usually is the same, I haven’t yet seen age-restricted games being not available on Steam in Austria.

Then again, even the image search on google looks quite different when accessed in Germany for some reason... (No interactive interface with keyboard support).

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Given that refunds are offered, while disappointing, the lack of Linux support at least isn't scammy.

Stonehearth is a one of the better polished games in that genre. It works and it is fun, regardless of what checkboxes in the theoretical featurelist are not checked. So I encourage to give it a try with Wine (though requesting the refund is probably politically the better statement.)

By now I don't believe in Linux support, unless the game uses a cross-platform third party engine. And having entire platforms as a stretch goal is a clear sign of developers being too inexeprienced with cross-platform development to actually pull it off.

This goes double for city-builder games. These games thrive most, while they are not officially finished, so either they have Linux support from day 1, or even if they get it at the end, it won't matter anymore.

Regarding the cut features... Definitely disappointing, but it really is within expectations, given the nature of Kickstarter campaigns. Thankfully I purchased the game as-is based on an early-access review on PCGamer, so I didn't have specific expectations, so I'm probably not a fair reference though.

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