Quoting: Guest

Quoting: TheSHEEEPGodwin's law confirmed.
I had hoped people would ignore that AH namedrop (really, don't do that, please).

Study that law again kid. I did not compare anyone to Hitler here. And as long as I abide to GoL posting rules, I can write whatever I want... funny how freedom of speech is such a volatile concept!

Dude, chill.
I'm on your side, but even if you didn't compare anyone, someone will interpret it that way and so here we go.
Just don't namedrop the guy, it never works out well and always leads to derailments like this one right here. Not worth the hassle, really. Enough other people to namedrop available ;)

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Godwin's law confirmed.
I had hoped people would ignore that AH namedrop (really, don't do that, please).

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Quoting: devland

Quoting: psyminIf someone is mean to someone else in a realm that isn't related to linux, gaming or godot, that shouldn't have any impact on their ability to contribute.

It does have an impact.

If you start calling someone names, regardless if you do it offline or online on another platform, then you can't possibly expect that the other person will be willing to continue to work with you.

That's not the point being made.
Obviously, you shouldn't keep a worker around that insults other workers.

But whatever happens that is not (either publicly or privately) between workers/team members but between a worker and other, unrelated people (or no people at all, just someone voicing opinions), should have no consequences beyond affecting inter-personal relations at work if it becomes known. And if those relations are then harmed so much that the person in question has to leave is a different question, to be decided case-by-case, not by some general checkmarked ruleset of forbidden opinions.
Stuff like that is called call-out/cancel culture and there is a reason that even people as "left" as Obama and T. Noah are not on board with it.

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Spoiler, click me

Quoting: Eike[Switching to German to avoid missunderstandings]

Mir hat jemand auf einer großen Website "Verpiss dich, Eike!" geschrieben. Da derjenige sich aus meiner Sicht öfter gegenüber verschiedenen Leuten denebenbenommen hatte, habe ich Anzeige erstattet und Strafantrag gestellt. Er hatte das anonym unter einer IP-Adresse getan, die für die Strafverfolgung auf seine Person zurückgeführt wurde. Die genauen juristischen Fachbegriffe muss ich dir schuldig bleiben, ich glaube, "das Verfahren wurde gegen Zahlung eines Bußgelds eingestellt" oder so ähnlich. Fakt ist, er musste 1000€ (Zahl der Tagessätze weiß ich nicht mehr) an irgendeinen Jagdverein bezahlen.

Hätte nicht gedacht, dass es diese dünnhäutigen "Anzeige ist raus!"-Personen wirklich gibt. Dachte, das wär nur Parodie auf YouTube...
Hab' ich doch wieder mal was gelernt.

Wenn das Verfahren eingestellt wurde, heißt das nur, dass da jemand lieber zahlt als sich auf ein Verfahren einzulassen (was seinerseits Geld und Zeit kostet). Keine Ahnung, was der Kerl sonst noch so geäußert hat (wohl genug, um lieber zu zahlen?), aber ich habe keinerlei Zweifel, dass ein "verpiss dich" allein auf irgend ner Seite unter keinem Umstand ausreichend beleidigend ist, um tatsächlich zu einer Verurteilung zu führen.

Quoting: EikePS: Isn't it irconic that you didn't want to believe there's a country forbiding insults by law - just to find out you're living in one... ;)

Well, I'd gladly take anyone to court whose special feelings couldn't take some opposing opinion and felt insulted.
PS: I'm not living in Germany.

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Quoting: EikeYes, and I actually did that once for a person who... well, let's say he insisted on it.
He was charged 1000€ (*) for writing what translates well to "Piss off, Eike!" on the net.

You sued someone for telling you to piss off somewhere on the net? I'm not buying it.
There is way more context to this than you are letting on (the "insisting on it" could make something serious enough).

I mean, seriously, I'm German, too and read a lot of comments on various sites from Spiegel to Facebook (oh boy, FB comments, that's some sludge right there...) , etc. and if anyone who said something that harmless about someone else (piss off isn't even an insult, it's telling someone to leave) somewhere on the net was sued/suable, the German courts would be blocked for eternity and the law probably abolished.

Quoting: KimyrielleThat's utter nonsense. There is a certain group of toxic people that resent that their toxic statements are no longer left standing without receiving dissent for them.

Dissent isn't the problem, it's what makes life interesting. The spice in the soup.
The problem is that some people are calling for outright banning, blocking, locking up, etc. of anything not stricly adhering to their own opinions and views. We've had this here, too, with topics being locked once the admins saw people were not agreeing with their own views and so any further discussion was locked under the guise of "preventing trolling" (aka "people posting stuff I don't agree with and rubbing it in my face") or something like that.
I don't doubt this topic will have the same potential outcome...

Not that admins don't have the right to do pretty much whatever on their own sites. They sure do, and they are making their standpoint clear by doing it.
And same goes for the Godot devs. If they want to exclude people who openly disagree with them about certain topics, they can do that. I don't care either way, while I do develop some stuff (modules) for Godot, I have no intention of contributing to the core engine. For different reasons than this topic here, though I have to agree it doesn't help, even if I'm not fitting any of their "bad person" checkmarks as far as I can see.

However, it should be clear to everyone that what this does is create a divide, and how that is going to benefit any project, I don't know.

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Quoting: Eike

Quoting: slapinReally you have the right to insult people - yes, you will get reaction you deserve, but that right is protected.

In my country, it is actually forbidden by law to insult people. (I'd recommend to double-check this for yours...) So in the generality you're stating it, that's wrong.

I doubt very much that such a thing exists in any country.

What are you gonna do, fine people who call someone else an a**hole or idiot? That's impossible to enforce.
You are likely confusing just an insult with actual slander, which can indeed be punishable by law in many countries.

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Quoting: psyminI am a bit concerned about the "either publicly or privately" clause.

If someone is mean to someone else in a realm that isn't related to linux, gaming or godot, that shouldn't have any impact on their ability to contribute.

I interpret it more in the way of being a dick to other contributors in private, not any random unrelated person.

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Well, that's a throwback.
Used to play the hell out of the Tony Hawk's games. And the music was just... rad :wink:

Just kinda wish the game was skateboarding instead, but if it turns out well, I'm gonna give it a go anyway.

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Bought!
It's been a while when I last played a really good TD. Especially one that looks so special.

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These graphics cards numbers are just confusing, at least to people like me, who upgrade their rig maybe once every 2-3 years, and then just care about "is this better? yes/no".
You'd think a higher number is downright better - but it just isn't.

I have a GTX 1070, and that has the same clock speed, more memory (albeit GDDR5, though I doubt that's a significant difference) and a slightly higher TDP.
I'd say a GTX 1660 according to these stats is maybe minimally faster with slightly less power consumption, but with less memory. And it seems to be cheaper, though they usually end up more expensive in practice due to demand.

While an RTX (the G is an R now...) 2080 is quite clearly superior to both of them.
And that's just NVIDIA.

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