Is the game actually fixed and playable now or still full of incomplete features and bugs?

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I'm using Manjaro with KDE Plasma, but since I'm not in the habit of downloading, installing or executing random files, I still feel pretty safe.
I've also been using Windows since many, many years without any kind of antivirus software and never had any problems whatsoever.

Frankly, nothing is ever entirely safe. And the biggest safety risk is not some software vulnerability sitting hidden behind some execution layers, but something entirely different sitting in front of the monitor...

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Quoting: BOYSSSSS

Quoting: TheSHEEEPAnd for that information, Platinum = just works out of the box, I don't have to do anything. Gold = works once you do X.
For that purpose, it is entirely irrelevant if what you have to do is a Proton option or a game option or edit some config files. It either runs perfectly without doing anything, or it runs perfectly after doing something. At least as far as users are concerned, which should always be the goal of tool development.

I get that whitelisting isn't really possible if something needs to be changed about the game itself, but that is something to be discussed in Github Proton/Valve issues, not something ProtonDB should be decisive in.

And if all that is required to run a game via Proton on Steam is to set some Proton option, then that Proton option should simply be set by default when running the game -> thus, the user has to do nothing and the game "just works" -> Platinum. All other cases -> Gold or worse.

IMO it doesn't make sense for Gold to include every possible change needed from user. There's a big difference between changing installing/adding files to run the game and adding a Launch option like NO_D3D11 ESYNC FSYNC or USE_D9VK. There should be another rating like Titanium or something which is just for Environment Variables/arguments/Launch options. It would also be great if there were two ratings, one for how the game runs, another for performance compared to native.

The ratings sure aren't perfect.
Introducing more rating woulds likely lead to even more confusion and unclear ratings, though.

What could work is to split the single rating into multiple parts without subjective judgements required.
Only yes/no questions (+ the Proton version & system info & comment, of course), leaving no room for uncertainty.
1. Does this game run perfectly for you?
2. Did you have to to enable Proton flags?
3. Did you have to run the game with non-Proton parameters?
4. Did you have to take other steps to make the game run?

Of course you can't have too many of these, but going away from anything requiring people to give an unclear score sounds like an improvement to me.

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Quoting: Comandante ÑoñardoIf you use PROTON 4.11-1 and you need to enable "PROTON_USE_D9VK=1 %command% for to run a game perfectly from beginning to end, you have a Proton Platinum game and you can report it.

Proton options are valid for to whitelist a game.
Game options like "-nointro" or "-dx9" are not valid for to whitelist a game.

Proton Gold is when you have to edit some game file or manually run winetricks for to install this or that library for to run the game without issues. PROTON GOLD games will never be whitelisted.

Remember that We are doing PROTON tests and that includes the use of PROTON environments options.

I see that most people here think that this about game tests on Linux via PROTON and that is a common error.

I'm sorry, but what I see here is gigantic disconnect between what a developer thinks should be done and what people actually want and need.
Nobody goes to ProtonDB to check how well Proton runs. People go there to check how well they will be able to run X via Steam Play (and I guess there is also 1-2% or so using Proton without Steam...).
ProtonDB is not for developers, it is for users, though I'm not arguing it wouldn't also be valuable resource for devs. Github is for developers.

And for that information, Platinum = just works out of the box, I don't have to do anything. Gold = works once you do X.
For that purpose, it is entirely irrelevant if what you have to do is a Proton option or a game option or edit some config files. It either runs perfectly without doing anything, or it runs perfectly after doing something. At least as far as users are concerned, which should always be the goal of tool development.

I get that whitelisting isn't really possible if something needs to be changed about the game itself, but that is something to be discussed in Github Proton/Valve issues, not something ProtonDB should be decisive in.

And if all that is required to run a game via Proton on Steam is to set some Proton option, then that Proton option should simply be set by default when running the game -> thus, the user has to do nothing and the game "just works" -> Platinum. All other cases -> Gold or worse.

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Quoting: Eike

Quoting: TheSHEEEP

Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: TheSHEEEPWeird as it sounds, I was somewhat disappointed when I played the game and couldn't toot the horn.
It felt a bit like playing GTA, but being unable to toot aggressively.

Don't you know that proper society frowns on blowing your own horn? :wink:

That might explain some of the reactions I've earned...

But, mind the children...!

I did!
That angered people even more...

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Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: TheSHEEEPWeird as it sounds, I was somewhat disappointed when I played the game and couldn't toot the horn.
It felt a bit like playing GTA, but being unable to toot aggressively.

Don't you know that proper society frowns on blowing your own horn? :wink:

That might explain some of the reactions I've earned...

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Weird as it sounds, I was somewhat disappointed when I played the game and couldn't toot the horn.
It felt a bit like playing GTA, but being unable to toot aggressively.

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The unfortunate and natural result of an overcrowded market. Hope everyone had a plan B or at least a buffer, because indie game development without a plan B for when (I did not put an "if" here on purpose) it fails seems rather short sighted nowadways.

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Quoting: PatolaNot on Steam? :-(

From their homepage:

Songs of Syx is in development since 2014 and early access will be available March 2020 for Windows, Mac and Linux.

Actually, I find this very commendable. Instead of spamming Steam with even more unfinished ****, they wait until they are actually ready for the public.
That said, I do wonder why they did not go with itch.io ...

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Quoting: axredneck

Quoting: TheSHEEEPI just wish RetroArch devs would finally develop a UI that doesn't suck when used with mouse & keyboard.
Having to manually scroll through hundreds of N64/SNES/NES/GB/GBA/etc. games (all of which I legally own. Obviously) is slightly annoying, to say the least. Just give me a frickin' text search field like MAME does.

Retroarch has Qt GUI called WIMP.

Well, this is indeed something usable!

Why the hell would you hide that usable desktop GUI behind some shortcut instead of making it the default on desktop PCs with connected keyboard & mouse?

Still weird that the search disappeared in the other menus.

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