Nice to see System76 starting selling AMD based PCs. They were mostly focused on Intel before.

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I wouldn't say Windows packs gaming desktop well. It's just good at hiding problems, until they hit you. And when they do, Windows users are more lost than Linux ones.

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Quoting: XpanderLooks good. Now if it supported OpenGL also, we would have a tool that would work across all Linux Games.

Unlike Vulkan, OpenGL doesn't have layers concept, so it can't.

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That's a problem with Ubuntu, not with Mesa. No one is forcing you to use a distro with outdated graphics support. And if you are so inclined to use it instead of a distro which keeps such things up to date, you'll figure out how to work around such kind of issues.

Personally, I don't recommend Ubuntu for gaming.

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Quoting: ShmerlI don't see why it can't be developed at its own pace, and upstreamed at the same time, unless for some reason it can't be accepted back.

nVidia users do not use Mesa, so bundling the utility with it would mean needless drag in the system.

How much drag is there?

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/usr
/usr/lib
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libVkLayer_MESA_overlay.so
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libvulkan_intel.so
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libvulkan_radeon.so
/usr/share
/usr/share/bug
/usr/share/bug/mesa-vulkan-drivers
/usr/share/bug/mesa-vulkan-drivers/control
/usr/share/bug/mesa-vulkan-drivers/script
/usr/share/doc
/usr/share/doc/mesa-vulkan-drivers
/usr/share/doc/mesa-vulkan-drivers/changelog.Debian.gz
/usr/share/doc/mesa-vulkan-drivers/copyright
/usr/share/lintian
/usr/share/lintian/overrides
/usr/share/lintian/overrides/mesa-vulkan-drivers
/usr/share/vulkan
/usr/share/vulkan/explicit_layer.d
/usr/share/vulkan/explicit_layer.d/VkLayer_MESA_overlay.json
/usr/share/vulkan/icd.d
/usr/share/vulkan/icd.d/intel_icd.x86_64.json
/usr/share/vulkan/icd.d/radeon_icd.x86_64.json

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I don't see why it can't be developed at its own pace, and upstreamed at the same time, unless for some reason it can't be accepted back.

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I'd prefer developers improving Mesa HUD instead of forking and then not upstreaming things.

Logging capabilities were taken straight from the Mesa HUD for the reference. It had it all along.

And Mesa HUD (i.e. Vulkan overlay) works for all Vulkan drivers as well, including Nvidia.

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Quoting: GuestYes but a bad situation for LTS distros which probably most users have due to the risk that rolling releases tend to break more easily (except of openSUSE Tumbleweed of course :-P). I'd wish it would be possible to install the AMDGPU driver also as a Kernel module to older Kernels with out backporting the actual driver from the latest kernles. :/

It is possible to use amdgpu via dkms.

See for example: https://cgit.freedesktop.org/~agd5f/linux/tree/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/dkms?h=amd-19.50 [External Link]

Not sure what exact kernels it supports, I've never used it.

The full list of releases is here: https://cgit.freedesktop.org/~agd5f/linux/refs [External Link]

Search for something like amd-xx.yy.

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Quoting: mrboeseKernel 5.3 that theoretically should support Navi 10.

I'm not surprised you are having issues - 5.3 has a ton of Navi related bugs, there is no reason to use it. Try kernel 5.5.

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Quoting: mrboeseI cannot understand why Navi cards still have those driver problems 6 months after launch.

What kernel are you using that still has Navi problems?

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