Quoting: BeamboomYou obviously do not run a business.

Those who release Linux games do. And they are not greedy, as publishers who use the logic you described in order not to release for Linux. You can claim they don't know how to run business, and what not. But I'd rather welcome their attitude towards Linux community, instead of whitewashing the greed of legacy publishers who have more than enough money to make Linux games (and even make a profit), but don't.

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Quoting: RCLI dunno how you measure that...

Perhaps in absolute numbers of games currently runnable on Linux there's a change. Percentage-wise and attitude-wise, it feels the same. Similar technical problems, similar support issues, similar lack of market forces, similar market share.

You can measure the progress using these metrics:

1. Maturity and competitiveness of technology that underpins Linux gaming. That's a hard must for anything else to even be an option.
2. Number of Linux gamers.
3. Number of Linux games coming out.
4. Number of developers making Linux games.

I see improvement on all of them, especially in the recent years. If you measure things using "when will Linux replace Windows for the masses", you won't see big change, because MS remains a stinking monopoly that is hard to dislodge. But it's in no way equal to lack of progress in Linux gaming in general, like the metrics above.

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Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: RCLLinux gaming squarely is in the same place when it was in 1999

Well that's obviously not true.

Indeed, that statement is completely false. Linux gaming has progressed a lot.

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Who said art is not a hard work? Games themselves are art. Making them is technical sure, and it's not easy. But if it's profitable, it's not a philanthropy. We aren't talking about free work here.

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Quoting: BeamboomAnd it's not about greed. It's about making sensible decisions. Even the most credible artist want to survive and live on their art. And to survive you need to run a healthy business. Ideology is what you can afford when your business is doing good.

Not supporting Linux when it's profitable, while arguing that doing Windows only games is more profitable, is totally about greed, not about sensible decisions and healthy business.

How well artists survive such greed, you should know too. EA for example swallowed countless studios, which disappeared into oblivion in result. See below.

Quoting: BeamboomGaming is business. A major player in the entertainment industry, an industry with millions of artists doing fantastic work, from musicians to actors, 3D artists, makeup artists, game designers, composers, painters, map designers, you name it. Art and business can easily go hand in hand, in many cases great art is also good business.

They can, if art part is important. But if greed is the driver, you get EA and other similar crooked legacy publishers, who produce mass market junk and not masterpieces, since it makes more money. With some DRM for the good measure, and naturally no Linux support.

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Looks very impressive! I hope they'll release on GOG as well.

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Gaming on Linux quote is featured on the game page :) https://chaosmonger.itch.io/encodya [External Link]

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Quoting: gurvYou really take what a company says at face value?

Not until further tests. But it's going to be a major PR issue for them, if they made this up. They did claim a breakthrough, so how it compares to Nvidia will be shown in tests once hardware is actually out (should be soon).

Quoting: gurvFrom AMD's own numbers Navi has slightly lower power efficiency than Turing even with a full node advantage!

Also AMD vs NVidia is way different than AMD vs Intel.

Not very different. AMD were behind, it took them years to start and bring to fruition a brand new microarchitecure with Zen, same with RDNA. It's only now coming out. Zen proved itself. So we'll see how RDNA works out. I don't expect first generation of chips to be the best microarch can offer. Zen took several generations to get where it's now. Can it flop? Anything can, sure. But so far it looks good.

Quoting: gurvYou mean the awful support history that made NVidia the only sane choice on Linux until AMD released Polaris 3 years ago?

Yeah, that awful history. It was the only choice, sure due to Mesa catching up only a few years ago to all needed OpenGL features and performance. All that didn't make Nvidia blob a good choice. It was always awful, just more usable than AMD then. Today, the blob retained all the same problems, while AMD fixed theirs in Mesa. So the blob now is losing out.

Quoting: gurvAMD also splendidly managed to support their own Freesync on Linux after NVidia did.

And where is that support in compositors? Nvidia did nothing to advance adaptive sync on Linux. Nada. All they did, is unplugged their blob to work with adaptive sync monitors using their GSync, and that's about it. Good luck trying to make it work with Wayland. That effort requires collaboration, not throwing blobs over the wall. AMD may be slow to move new features, but Nvidia isn't there at all, because they don't care about collaboration. They put it all in the blob, thinking everyone should dance around it.

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Quoting: EMO GANGSTERthe performance, thanks for the info, see I made windows host pc to play games I can't play on Linux through steam play and I wanted to get a new card for the main system and move 1060 to host pc I connect to though steam streaming and want to find the best card for the money that works best with my Linux system.

If you want to do it today, replacing 1060, you can try Vega 56 or RX 590. Vega 56 is better. If you can wait, see how upcoming Navi cards will perform. Though so far there is no radv support for Navi yet, and it can take some time to come out.

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Quoting: dibzI'm rather curious about this, can you qualify your statement?

Basically tons if issues due to Nvidia not providing upstream driver (so it had no functional DRM/KMS for years, and even today it is barely working). That caused a whole list of problems, from defunct Optimus (no PRIME) to defunct Wayland / XWayland scenario support. I call it horrible, not excellent. Remember Linus showing them the middle finger? While that's the wrong way to send the message, he reacted exactly on these kind of issues.

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