Quoting: jensSteam users do actively support DRM, thus they behave bad, thus they are bad. That feels kind-of not very good.

Not sure where or why you got such impression, that's surely not the case. While I consider such choice bad, it doesn't necessarily make people bad, people make wrong choices too and they can do something to improve it in this case.

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@Purple Library Guy: very good summary of main argument points, thanks. To add to your point (B) above, while GOG indeed can have their own barriers, they aren't the only option for those who want to make DRM-free releases, so for Feral that barrier isn't necessarily driven by GOG specifically.

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Quoting: Shmerl...if you see it as aggressive... such positions simply must be firm.

I quit. Thanks for showing you don't give two shits about anybody posting here.

Sure, there is no point in discussing it, if you see any firm position like above. As @sbolokanov said, DRM opponents and DRM proponents won't agree on this one.

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@namiko: the goal it to improve it for developers. I don't think you can change users' minds if they don't care about their own privacy or DRM being unethical. Details of it were explained above, and some still don't care even after their questions were answered. So what's the point in convincing them? The point is to convince developers who don't release without DRM that there is demand for it, so those who care about it would be able to use their games properly.

However I don't see a point in whitewashing bad practices. That's actually harmful and if you see it as aggressive - that's a wrong impression. Such positions simply must be firm. Those who accept DRM can get angry when DRM is criticized, but it doesn't mean it can't be criticized as a corrupt and bad practice.

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Quoting: RybladeNo other reason. At all.

Does it matter what other reason there is? They still left DRM-free users out. Ding ding ding, but you clearly don't think it matters, since you are OK with DRM apparently :)

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Quoting: HoriI am a little upset too knowing that Torchlight 1 for Linux is available on GOG but not on Steam - but that's just one single game.

Torchlight 1 is not available for Linux on GOG either.

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Quoting: Mountain ManDRM rarely deters the hardcore warez crowd, but it does deter "casual" users, especially when services like Steam offer such an easy and convenient way to legally obtain software.

Hardcore crowd are ones that take said DRM and break it to make DRM-free torrent releases. Casual pirates don't need anything hardcore, they just download what the hardcore ones prepared for them. So in the end DRM deters nothing. Those who want and can buy DRMed version will buy it and will be punished with DRM for buying. Pirates which don't buy will be rewarded with cracked DRM-free version. That's a rather perverted approach designed by DRM proponents.

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Quoting: johndoe2.2 When you buy or install GOG games, you might have to agree to additional contract terms with the developer/publisher of the game (e.g. they might ask you to agree to a game specific End User Licence Agreement). If there is any inconsistency or dispute between those ‘EULAs’ and this Agreement, then this Agreement wins.

The last sentence does not sound really good.

To be honest. I don't think that most games from GOG are allowed to be played at the "same time" with only "one purchase".
Most people don't read EULAs.

I don't see anything about this specific point in GOG's agreement. And I said, most games don't make additions to it. Do you have an example of such game that adds such condition?

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Quoting: johndoeMaybe this is the reason why Feral don't like to put their games on GOG.

If anyone wants to ignore that limitation, they can access pirated games anyway, so how exactly would it even prevent family sharing to begin with? It's same as with other not authorized sharing. So it's not an argument to use DRM.

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Quoting: johndoeFrom the view of a publisher it would be not clever to release a game DRM-free if it means that "one purchase" can be used at the "same time" by a multitudinous family.
This would mean that they lose a lot of money.

Smart or not smart, they are already doing it and releasing DRM-free. I doubt family is a major consideration for them. Even DRMed stores can allow family sharing (including Steam).

As GOG link above said, games can have additional agreements, but many use base agreement with GOG. In my experience, such additional agreements aren't common.

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