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The statement from the European Commission, available here, mentions that they've sent Statements of Objections to Valve and Bandai Namco, Capcom, Focus Home, Koch Media and ZeniMax.
The main concerns from the EU are these:
- Valve and the five PC video game publishers agreed, in breach of EU antitrust rules, to use geo-blocked activation keys to prevent cross-border sales, including in response to unsolicited consumer requests (so-called “passive sales”) of PC video games from several Member States (i.e. Czechia, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, and in some cases Romania). This may have prevented consumers from buying cheaper games available in other Member States.
- Bandai Namco, Focus Home, Koch Media and ZeniMax, broke EU antitrust rules by including contractual export restrictions in their agreements with a number of distributors other than Valve. These distributors were prevented from selling the relevant PC video games outside the allocated territories, which could cover one or more Member States. These practices may have prevented consumers from purchasing and playing PC video games sold by these distributors either on physical media, such as DVDs or through downloads.
Valve just sent out a statement, here's what they said in full for those interested:
Earlier today, the European Commission ("EC") sent Statements of Objections ("SO") to Valve and five publishers in an investigation that it started in 2013. The EC alleges that the five publishers entered into agreements with their distributors that included geo-blocking provisions for PC games sold by the distributors, and that separately Valve entered into agreements with the same publishers that prevented consumers in the European Economic Area ("EEA") from purchasing PC games because of their location.
However, the EC's charges do not relate to the sale of PC games on Steam - Valve's PC gaming service. Instead the EC alleges that Valve enabled geo-blocking by providing Steam activation keys and - upon the publishers' request - locking those keys to particular territories ("region locks") within the EEA. Such keys allow a customer to activate and play a game on Steam when the user has purchased it from a third-party reseller. Valve provides Steam activation keys free of charge and does not receive any share of the purchase price when a game is sold by third-party resellers (such as a retailer or other online store).
The region locks only applied to a small number of game titles. Approximately just 3% of all games using Steam (and none of Valve's own games) at the time were subject to the contested region locks in the EEA. Valve believes that the EC's extension of liability to a platform provider in these circumstances is not supported by applicable law. Nonetheless, because of the EC's concerns, Valve actually turned off region locks within the EEA starting in 2015, unless those region locks were necessary for local legal requirements (such as German content laws) or geographic limits on where the Steam partner is licensed to distribute a game. The elimination of region locks will also mean that publishers will likely raise prices in less affluent regions to avoid price arbitrage. There are no costs involved in sending activation keys from one country to another and the activation key is all a user needs to activate and play a PC game.
Basically, the EU wants to prevent stores and publishers from making it so that you can't get your games cheaper if you choose to shop in a different country. It can be a pretty difficult topic, certainly one with a lot of complications. The issue gets complicated, since publishers may want to offer certain countries a cheaper price if their wages are traditionally lower but they might not do that if anyone is able to come along and just pay the cheaper price.
What are your thoughts on this?
Article taken from GamingOnLinux.com.
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TheRiddick Apr 5, 2019
I think Russian steam keys sell for like 1/3rd the cost compared to western countries, it's the only way they can get decent sales numbers in some places unfortunately. A universal price for everything would be nice in a perfect world however... but not practical in the end.
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Quoting: riusmaQuoting: GuestGames are not cheaper in EU member countries that are not in the eurozone - that's the problem, the *lack* of sufficient regional pricing.
Sorry, you're right (read steamdb data far too quickly)! In which currency peoples from countries that are EU members but not in Eurozone buy their games on Steam? :|
Romanian here, Our currency is Leu/RON but we buy the games in Euros from Steam and that kinda sucks if the Euro goes up we have to pay a bit more.
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Quoting: KimyrielleI'm not completely in disagreement, but I think we do have very concrete examples of nations in the EU attempting to do people-friendly policies and the EU blocking them, the most obvious one being the crushing of Greece when Syriza caved to massive blackmail.Quoting: Purple Library Guy[snip]
The EU acts pretty much like a nation already in the sense that it certainly caters only to the interest of its ruling elite. You know...like any other nation. There is not one single nation on Earth not like that. They ALL care only for the 1%. That's really not an argument against the EU. It's an argument for reform and change, and for going to elections and vote these people out.
I would want to argue that there are degrees, and on average the farther the decision-makers are from those affected by their decisions, the harder it is to get them to take people's interests into account. EU decision-makers have a ton of distance, whether geographical or more importantly institutional.
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Quoting: Purple Library GuyQuoting: F.UltraWhat's the confusing part? You cannot have a single market if players can segment said market into sections of their own making. Either you sell to the whole EU as a single market or you don't sell at all.The thing is I don't care how thorough the EU single market is, since I don't have an ideological preference for such things. Sure, the EU is a single market as a matter of fact, and sure, that status is important to many EU bureaucrats. But that isn't a statement about what policy is good for people in the EU. You could perfectly well have policies which violated or attenuated that status but were good policies.
And even if the EU were an actual country that wouldn't preclude the possibility of trade barriers between sub-units; there are trade barriers and "buy local" policies in Canadian provinces and even municipalities. They're not huge, but they're there.
The single market is not important to "many EU bureaucrats", it's one of the fundamental blocks of the whole EU. If the single market is deemed bad policy then this have to be changed through the normal political chain (elections and so forth) but as it stands now the "law is the law" so it's not like the people enforcing the regulation can look the other way just because they feel personally that the outcome might be bad for the people in the EU, that is for the voters and then the politicians to decide.
Just googled around for your interprovincial trade barriers in Canada and I must say that the vast majority of results where from people and organisations that talked about how much problem they cause. Now I know nothing about the state of this in Canada but it sure sounds crazy.
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Quoting: F.UltraThe reality is that most people don't give a damn or really notice them. They are small, and mainly exist for fairly limited local goals. However, right wing politicians have to have something to call out. We've already got free trade with practically everybody, and they've already killed most of the social programs that don't have massive public support. So there have been some cases of provincial pols getting a bee in their bonnet about the horrors of provincial trade barriers so they can have something to campaign on. Nobody else said anything because, like, whatever, eh?Quoting: Purple Library GuyQuoting: F.UltraWhat's the confusing part? You cannot have a single market if players can segment said market into sections of their own making. Either you sell to the whole EU as a single market or you don't sell at all.The thing is I don't care how thorough the EU single market is, since I don't have an ideological preference for such things. Sure, the EU is a single market as a matter of fact, and sure, that status is important to many EU bureaucrats. But that isn't a statement about what policy is good for people in the EU. You could perfectly well have policies which violated or attenuated that status but were good policies.
And even if the EU were an actual country that wouldn't preclude the possibility of trade barriers between sub-units; there are trade barriers and "buy local" policies in Canadian provinces and even municipalities. They're not huge, but they're there.
The single market is not important to "many EU bureaucrats", it's one of the fundamental blocks of the whole EU. If the single market is deemed bad policy then this have to be changed through the normal political chain (elections and so forth) but as it stands now the "law is the law" so it's not like the people enforcing the regulation can look the other way just because they feel personally that the outcome might be bad for the people in the EU, that is for the voters and then the politicians to decide.
Just googled around for your interprovincial trade barriers in Canada and I must say that the vast majority of results where from people and organisations that talked about how much problem they cause. Now I know nothing about the state of this in Canada but it sure sounds crazy.
But the reality is that there has never been such a thing as completely barrier-free trade; there probably never will be. The argument basically can't be over whether there will be barriers, but about how big and what the barriers will be.
So I don't find the claim persuasive that somehow if any barrier exists the status of the EU as a common market will implode in a puff of logic. There are surely barriers now, some more formal than others. There will be barriers next year and ten years from now, no matter what decisions get made about this particular one.
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Quoting: Purple Library GuyQuoting: F.UltraThe reality is that most people don't give a damn or really notice them. They are small, and mainly exist for fairly limited local goals. However, right wing politicians have to have something to call out. We've already got free trade with practically everybody, and they've already killed most of the social programs that don't have massive public support. So there have been some cases of provincial pols getting a bee in their bonnet about the horrors of provincial trade barriers so they can have something to campaign on.Quoting: Purple Library GuyQuoting: F.UltraWhat's the confusing part? You cannot have a single market if players can segment said market into sections of their own making. Either you sell to the whole EU as a single market or you don't sell at all.The thing is I don't care how thorough the EU single market is, since I don't have an ideological preference for such things. Sure, the EU is a single market as a matter of fact, and sure, that status is important to many EU bureaucrats. But that isn't a statement about what policy is good for people in the EU. You could perfectly well have policies which violated or attenuated that status but were good policies.
And even if the EU were an actual country that wouldn't preclude the possibility of trade barriers between sub-units; there are trade barriers and "buy local" policies in Canadian provinces and even municipalities. They're not huge, but they're there.
The single market is not important to "many EU bureaucrats", it's one of the fundamental blocks of the whole EU. If the single market is deemed bad policy then this have to be changed through the normal political chain (elections and so forth) but as it stands now the "law is the law" so it's not like the people enforcing the regulation can look the other way just because they feel personally that the outcome might be bad for the people in the EU, that is for the voters and then the politicians to decide.
Just googled around for your interprovincial trade barriers in Canada and I must say that the vast majority of results where from people and organisations that talked about how much problem they cause. Now I know nothing about the state of this in Canada but it sure sounds crazy.
But the reality is that there has never been such a thing as completely barrier-free trade; there probably never will be. The argument basically can't be over whether there will be barriers, but about how big and what the barriers will be.
So I don't find the claim persuasive that somehow if any barrier exists the status of the EU as a common market will implode in a puff of logic. There are surely barriers now, some more formal than others. There will be barriers next year and ten years from now, no matter what decisions get made about this particular one.
Okey I can buy that. On top of that, if you somehow can use those barriers to keep Jordan Peterson locked inside Canada then I will unconditionally endorse your interprovincial trade barriers any day of the week!
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Quoting: F.UltraI would certainly endorse performing that international service!Quoting: Purple Library GuyQuoting: F.UltraThe reality is that most people don't give a damn or really notice them. They are small, and mainly exist for fairly limited local goals. However, right wing politicians have to have something to call out. We've already got free trade with practically everybody, and they've already killed most of the social programs that don't have massive public support. So there have been some cases of provincial pols getting a bee in their bonnet about the horrors of provincial trade barriers so they can have something to campaign on.Quoting: Purple Library GuyQuoting: F.UltraWhat's the confusing part? You cannot have a single market if players can segment said market into sections of their own making. Either you sell to the whole EU as a single market or you don't sell at all.The thing is I don't care how thorough the EU single market is, since I don't have an ideological preference for such things. Sure, the EU is a single market as a matter of fact, and sure, that status is important to many EU bureaucrats. But that isn't a statement about what policy is good for people in the EU. You could perfectly well have policies which violated or attenuated that status but were good policies.
And even if the EU were an actual country that wouldn't preclude the possibility of trade barriers between sub-units; there are trade barriers and "buy local" policies in Canadian provinces and even municipalities. They're not huge, but they're there.
The single market is not important to "many EU bureaucrats", it's one of the fundamental blocks of the whole EU. If the single market is deemed bad policy then this have to be changed through the normal political chain (elections and so forth) but as it stands now the "law is the law" so it's not like the people enforcing the regulation can look the other way just because they feel personally that the outcome might be bad for the people in the EU, that is for the voters and then the politicians to decide.
Just googled around for your interprovincial trade barriers in Canada and I must say that the vast majority of results where from people and organisations that talked about how much problem they cause. Now I know nothing about the state of this in Canada but it sure sounds crazy.
But the reality is that there has never been such a thing as completely barrier-free trade; there probably never will be. The argument basically can't be over whether there will be barriers, but about how big and what the barriers will be.
So I don't find the claim persuasive that somehow if any barrier exists the status of the EU as a common market will implode in a puff of logic. There are surely barriers now, some more formal than others. There will be barriers next year and ten years from now, no matter what decisions get made about this particular one.
Okey I can buy that. On top of that, if you somehow can use those barriers to keep Jordan Peterson locked inside Canada then I will unconditionally endorse your interprovincial trade barriers any day of the week!
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Quoting: Purple Library GuyQuoting: F.UltraI would certainly endorse performing that international service!Quoting: Purple Library GuyQuoting: F.UltraThe reality is that most people don't give a damn or really notice them. They are small, and mainly exist for fairly limited local goals. However, right wing politicians have to have something to call out. We've already got free trade with practically everybody, and they've already killed most of the social programs that don't have massive public support. So there have been some cases of provincial pols getting a bee in their bonnet about the horrors of provincial trade barriers so they can have something to campaign on.Quoting: Purple Library GuyQuoting: F.UltraWhat's the confusing part? You cannot have a single market if players can segment said market into sections of their own making. Either you sell to the whole EU as a single market or you don't sell at all.The thing is I don't care how thorough the EU single market is, since I don't have an ideological preference for such things. Sure, the EU is a single market as a matter of fact, and sure, that status is important to many EU bureaucrats. But that isn't a statement about what policy is good for people in the EU. You could perfectly well have policies which violated or attenuated that status but were good policies.
And even if the EU were an actual country that wouldn't preclude the possibility of trade barriers between sub-units; there are trade barriers and "buy local" policies in Canadian provinces and even municipalities. They're not huge, but they're there.
The single market is not important to "many EU bureaucrats", it's one of the fundamental blocks of the whole EU. If the single market is deemed bad policy then this have to be changed through the normal political chain (elections and so forth) but as it stands now the "law is the law" so it's not like the people enforcing the regulation can look the other way just because they feel personally that the outcome might be bad for the people in the EU, that is for the voters and then the politicians to decide.
Just googled around for your interprovincial trade barriers in Canada and I must say that the vast majority of results where from people and organisations that talked about how much problem they cause. Now I know nothing about the state of this in Canada but it sure sounds crazy.
But the reality is that there has never been such a thing as completely barrier-free trade; there probably never will be. The argument basically can't be over whether there will be barriers, but about how big and what the barriers will be.
So I don't find the claim persuasive that somehow if any barrier exists the status of the EU as a common market will implode in a puff of logic. There are surely barriers now, some more formal than others. There will be barriers next year and ten years from now, no matter what decisions get made about this particular one.
Okey I can buy that. On top of that, if you somehow can use those barriers to keep Jordan Peterson locked inside Canada then I will unconditionally endorse your interprovincial trade barriers any day of the week!
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As a small side note to this whole "debate", the main problem here is not that EU is trying to remove social programs, the problem is that major parts of Europe is now controlled by conservative governments and this have shifted the EU policies to the right. Aka EU is not right leaning conservative by definition, it's just how the European political map looks right now and is why things like Article 11 and 13 is passed (since the majority of the member states voted yes).
edit: I realise that this can be seen as hardcode nit-picking but my issue is that the Internet is so full of the Putin sponsored alt-right groups that are arguing for the dismemberment of the EU that I feel that it's important to distinguish between EU politics and European politics if that makes sense, or in other words the problem is not with the EU as such but with Europe as a whole.
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I looking at larger perspective. Let's say EC wanted game prices as single, cheaper price basing on EUR. Perhaps €30-40 flat across EEA?
IMO. if EU really asking for "Dieselgate 2.0" to happen if they keeps too nosey like this. Which industry I dunno..
p/s: Also, at least y'all still have rights to criticise. If I done that, probably Black Maria will be infront my house later.
IMO. if EU really asking for "Dieselgate 2.0" to happen if they keeps too nosey like this. Which industry I dunno..
p/s: Also, at least y'all still have rights to criticise. If I done that, probably Black Maria will be infront my house later.
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slaapliedje Apr 6, 2019
Quoting: GuestGeoblocking has been rife across the entertainment industries for years. I hope it won't end here and that Hollywood is next. Somehow I doubt it because, as we have seen from the Copyright Directive, the EC is up Hollywood's arse.Yeah, the one that gets me is they stopped releasing the 3D version of movies in the US, so I have to import them from UK if I want them.
I know, first world problems.
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