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Total War Saga: TROY is now a 12 month Epic Games Store exclusive

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Total War Saga: TROY, a game that was confirmed to be coming to Linux, is now going to start life as an Epic Games Store exclusive for the first year.

For the Linux version, this would mean a total delay because Epic have no plans to support Linux on their store officially. Creative Assembly announced it will release on EGS in August and be free for 24 hours, with Steam to follow a year later. Creative Assembly mentioned they have "no plans" for future games to be exclusives.

Linux was due to get it "shortly after Windows" originally but now it's entirely unclear. Feral Interactive, the company who work with Creative Assembly to port various titles to Linux and macOS were the company doing Total War Saga: TROY. I spoke to them today but they simply mentioned they have "nothing we can share regarding A Total War Saga: TROY on macOS or Linux".

If / when we hear more about about the Linux version, we will let you know.

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t3g 2 Jun
They can keep it. I'm kinda bored of the Total War games being the only native ports from these companies the past few years.
TheSHEEEPHard to tell for sure at this point, but the recent developments seem to point toward Epic succeeding.
Please note that this is something I'm genuinely looking for more information about, so I'm not being sarcastic when I ask, what developments would those be?
Salvatos 3 Jun
x_wing
TheSHEEEPFrom a developers perspective - and most devs don't care about Linux, that's the sad truth - the Epic deal is really damn good.

For whom? for users? I live in Argentina and I can tell you: Epic is far to be damn good even for Windows users. I fail to see where is better for users, which is what we are.
The text you quoted literally starts with "From a developers perspective".
Phlebiac 3 Jun
Comandante ÑoñardoBut if Feral has the publishing rights for MAC and Linux, they can publish it anyway. Only the Windows version will be Epic Store exclusive.

As I recall, Feral does release their games on the Apple Store, and presumably they could also list the Mac version in the Epic Store (whether they do or not will be interesting to see). So it's just the Linux version getting shut out, unless Feral decides to sell it elsewhere. Wouldn't that be something if you could buy it on the Feral site and get a Steam key, even though the Windows version wasn't there? ;)
This is fun, It is like a baker has to give the bread for free because the bakery is awful, dirty and your assistants are rude guys.

It is obvious at this level since they have to take money from Epic is because they have ZERO confidence in their product. So whoever Linux user was interested on this, maybe you aren't missing that much.

Purple Library Guy
TheSHEEEPHard to tell for sure at this point, but the recent developments seem to point toward Epic succeeding.
Please note that this is something I'm genuinely looking for more information about, so I'm not being sarcastic when I ask, what developments would those be?

Tim Sweeney tweets, since everything else about EPIC, sales numbers, users, people online and other stuff is secret unless some developer tweets sales numbers, which the only source is the same dev.


Last edited by orochi_kyo on 3 June 2020 at 4:56 am UTC
CatKiller
QuoteWhile we know that some of you won’t like the Epic Games Store exclusivity, we feel like this is a great opportunity for us in a lot of ways

... because Epic gave us a big bag of money.

You know since EPIC store came to the scene, we are seeing so much bull5h/t PR from gaming companies that go Epic exclusive. Not even consoles, EA(Origin) and Microsoft were so sassy when they launched their exclusives in their stores. It was so simple "It is exclusive for our store, get it here or GTFO"
But suddenly gaming devs have become so hypocritical.

I don't know if I gotta get banned for this, but fuck EPIC, fuck these devs, and fuck people who support Epic in any way. You have made of PC gaming a full wasteland of liers and dishonest marketing with press releases that are offensive to the reader's intelligence.
This is the kind of stuff you see in politics. Since EPIC entered the store race, PC gaming becomes like a presidential race in the U.K., USA, or any of those countries were tabloids, and the press in general use disinformation and half-lies/truths to influence people's vote.
This is trash, just say, "we take the money" straight to peoples face, we already know Tencent/Fortnite money is huge, so you can not say you are making this for anything. If I don't like it, I just don't buy your game, as same in politics, if I don't like a candidate, I won't vote for him/her!!
omer666 3 Jun
Oh and I don't think attacking Epic Store exclusives' quality is relevant, as Epic has had both Metro Exodus and Borderlands 3 as exclusives, and those are very good titles. Doing business this way is just ludicrous, and they deserve the hate. It's not just a Linux-only argument here, people love Steam as a platform and want to use it.
Maybe I will read all the comments first then comment, because it is amazing how some peeps are just, well, trying to justify Creative Assembly decision away from the straight fact that this is all about money.

Suddenly after 12 years of existence and at least 8 years of CA and Sega releasing games on Steam, Steam became "complicated" or more "complicated" than Epic.
Then the dev revenue/share argument that it is so silly but still lurking people's minds.

Just ask yourself this question, how to save an almost death community in 2008 when consoles were so thriving to the point most of the PC developers we knew then moved to consoles and stopped releasing games for PC in GENERAL(Windows/Linux/MacOS)?

SERVICES and Features!!
And Epic lack both, Epic is a barebone store with just a few bunches of features that even make look Origin like the God of all stores. You cant keep building a community of millions of gamers offering free games forever, you need to offer good services, features, and extra stuff that keep people attached. Guess what is one of that Extra Stuff, PROTON. Proton didn't come from anywhere, it came from that 20-25-30% you are constantly crying about, also Steam Play Together, Workshop and other features that makes people to jump over consoles, buy a PC, and install Steam. Epic is the sure bet to make PS5 and the next Xbox/Nintendo console more attractive to PC gamers, because If I wanted to have a store that doesn't go beyond what consoles can go, Ill better buy a console.
So that dirty 30% you think is going straight to Gabe Newell pockets is really going to developers who are developing more and advanced features, it is creating decent jobs(not those 80 hours a week Fortnite jobs), it is going to create more tools for users, I know most users are just a bunch of mindless people who only seek for their own convenience, but still, they get advantages from this stuff.
kuhpunkt 3 Jun
TheSHEEEP
kuhpunktAnd how low should they go?
10-20% is fair, with a higher cut as developers can opt in to additional services (forum, matchmaking, etc.) with 20-30% being the cut for all services used.

The problem is that at the basic level (which is what most developers actually use), they really just host their game and offer the community service with it - but they don't really have any work with it that would justify the high share for developers.

How do you know that 10%-20% is fair? Do you have the numbers? gog uses 20% to pay the bills to run the service and the other 10% as actual profit.
TheSHEEEP 3 Jun
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TheSHEEEP10-20% is fair, with a higher cut as developers can opt in to additional services (forum, matchmaking, etc.) with 20-30% being the cut for all services used.

You're forgetting the biggest value. Steam presents the product to 100 million monthly active users. No other store comes close.
I've seen that argument a few times, and frankly, it is a myth.
Ever since Valve opened the floodgates and accepted every piece of garbage game on their platform without any moderation whatsoever, the number of games coming out is so huge that a developer gains pretty much nothing from the fact that they are on Steam. This is especially true for indie developers.
Valve doesn't "present" a damn thing, users have to actively wade through the masses of unmoderated games.

Tell how awesome being on Steam alone is to all the developers who didn't do their due diligence, didn't do any marketing, and as a result barely sell anything on Steam.
And if you have to do the marketing routine anyway, what exactly is so great about being "presented" on Steam, again?

Of course, you still have to be on Steam, because that is just something users expect. And that's IMO the only reason Valve hasn't reacted with a share cut. Yet.

Ehvis
TheSHEEEPFrom a developers perspective - and most devs don't care about Linux, that's the sad truth - the Epic deal is really damn good.

It's clearly not a great deal unless Epic throws money at devs. Although for at least some it is that they prepay the devs for a number of sales in exchange for exclusivity. But after the period they all go back to Steam because that's still where the real money is made.
Just to be clear, that is the deal I'm talking about. Basically free money for a year or a half, and then additional income once that agreed upon number of "guaranteed sales" is reached.
And then you get your Steam&other release later, which you can roll the marketing drums for a second time.
That IS a great deal (for developers).

I don't blame any developer or publisher for accepting - I only blame them for not being completely straight about the reason: "We do it for the money".

EhvisAt the end of the day, Valve doesn't need to change anything because the majority of customers are still on Steam. When that changes, things will change.
If Valve aren't completely daft, and I don't think they are, they will react way before that happens.
They should, anyway.
Right now, they have the users and the (much) better software and services. But they'd be crazy to just sit on that and hope nobody will ever catch up.

Of course, Epic should also improve their client and services, but man are they slow about it...

Purple Library Guy
TheSHEEEPHard to tell for sure at this point, but the recent developments seem to point toward Epic succeeding.
Please note that this is something I'm genuinely looking for more information about, so I'm not being sarcastic when I ask, what developments would those be?
The number of exclusives EGS is racking up, for one thing.
As is the number of free giveaways (of otherwise still quite new and expensive titles) - and the people that talk about it.
But most importantly, just how normal and accepted EGS has become. Sure, when the whole thing started, the outcry about those exclusivity deals was huge. But it isn't anymore, not in most places.
Here, of course, people are very negative about EGS, which makes sense.
But outside of Linux communities, people talk very openly and normally about using EGS, the number of "China bad!" screechers is dwindling, as is the people chiming in about how terrible exclusivity is and how bad Epic is, etc.
Streamers playing EGS games see less negative comments about that as well. And those are probably the no1 gamer influence source right now.

What we are seeing is just the process of something new becoming normal, which, I think, is very much a positive development for Epic.

You'll always have those who just won't use EGS no matter what. But that group just isn't as big as it might have seemed at first or you'd still see the big outrages everywhere. The rest are split somewhere between getting a game on EGS if they really want it or just waiting for a year.
Personally, I'm in the latter camp, but that's really only because EGS doesn't support Linux. If it did, I wouldn't care about exclusivity deals and just get the games I want wherever I can get them when I want them.


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