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Mad Max and Shadow of Mordor delisted for Linux and macOS on Steam

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It seems Feral Interactive have a few less ports available to buy supported for Linux and macOS to start off 2021 with as both Mad Max and Shadow of Mordor have been delisted for both platforms.

The change happened just before the end of 2020 on both titles, as seen on SteamDB (#1 - #2). On the macOS side, they lost even more as a few Lego titles also vanished and Batman: Arkham City too from mentioning macOS. Why? They all have a common publisher - Warner. Confirming this to me on Twitter, Feral Interactive stated "Hi, these games have been removed from sale on macOS/Linux due to their licenses expiring.".

So what does this actually mean? The Linux ports still exist, still work as expected and anyone who buys them on Steam would still get them too as they're attached to standard purchases. Going forward though, they're not being advertised or supported.

A shame but actually somewhat common. We see this with racing games, football games, and sometimes music also causes issues and more where licenses are often for a specific time period. In this case it's a bit more unique that it only affected the external ports.

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jens 5 Jan
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Quoting: MohandevirThat's exactly why I say that Valve must clean the mess that it (Protondb) became. It's their tech... It should be their support (but it doesn't mean excluding the help of the community). Imo, there should be a Protondb similar tool that is maintained by Valve and the whitelist should be expanded because there is a lot of games that are really at Platinum level. It's just that at this time, Protondb is poluted by way too much "false positives" and that makes it completely unreliable.

ProtonDB is not a Valve site, it’s a community site created and filled by enthusiastic reporters. It’s stated like this on the footer of the ProtonDB site. Only the Proton GitHub project is managed by Valve employees.
zimia_p 5 Jan
Quoting: MohandevirIs it just me? I feel like Steam's Linux gaming is gradually falling into a chaotic mess. Linux native ports that suddenly stop being supported... Native ports that run worse than the windows version run through proton... Windows games run only through proton... I have 2 exemples of games that got a gold rating on protondb, but just won't run adequately: Rage 2 that just keeps on crashing every 5 mins, no matter the tweaks I try and Star Wars: Jedi Fallen Order, that becomes a slide show when you hit the start button... Why gold?! These 2 should get a silver rating max, imo...
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In my opinion, there are a lot of variables affecting the quality of the game i Proton. For example, I completed the "Star Wars: Jedi Fallen Order" without any problems, the performance was very good. In my opinion, gold or platinum. However, that doesn't mean it will work as well on your configuration.
Quoting: zimia_p
Quoting: MohandevirIs it just me? I feel like Steam's Linux gaming is gradually falling into a chaotic mess. Linux native ports that suddenly stop being supported... Native ports that run worse than the windows version run through proton... Windows games run only through proton... I have 2 exemples of games that got a gold rating on protondb, but just won't run adequately: Rage 2 that just keeps on crashing every 5 mins, no matter the tweaks I try and Star Wars: Jedi Fallen Order, that becomes a slide show when you hit the start button... Why gold?! These 2 should get a silver rating max, imo...
.

In my opinion, there are a lot of variables affecting the quality of the game i Proton. For example, I completed the "Star Wars: Jedi Fallen Order" without any problems, the performance was very good. In my opinion, gold or platinum. However, that doesn't mean it will work as well on your configuration.

This. I think people somehow forget that as cool as Proton is, Valve still targets the most common desktop distros and, in reality, a different Linux distro IS very much a different Operating System as the OS is more than just the underlying kernel (not to mention some distro kernels have specific optimizations that aren't implemented in other distro kernels for whatever reason). In all honesty, chances are the further you get away from one of the "core" (popular) Desktop-focused distros, the less likely it's been tested on that distro. So, in most cases, Ubuntu, Pop!_OS, Mint, Elementary, Fedora, Manjaro, and Arch are probably OK. Beyond that, it probably depends.

Add in the fact that, for some reason, there are a lot of Linux users that want their desktop to be configured a specific way and depending on what they do and how they do it, it may not always be compatible with what Steam, Proton, WINE, etc expect causing issues. Not to mention the obvious Hardware issues that occasionally show up.
aokami 5 Jan
ProtonDB is by far the most useful tool around.
This basically tells me which game is a go/no go before I actually buy it. Keep in mind it's actually crowd-sourced, meaning people like you and me, tech savy or not, new to Linux or not are contributing so we can all benefit from it.


By switching to Linux you should have been warned it wasn't an easy way, i.e games are not made for us and it's a miracle already we get them working.
So instead of whining reports are misleading, here's how you use ProtonDB:
1) Check recent reports, wine evolves constantly and given its purpose and wide application range, there will always be regressions;
2) Check for positive reports with the hardware as you have, sometimes just having a given model of GPU or whatev doesn't help
3) Match the proton version of the positive report matching your hardware, as I mentioned sometimes we have new features and smoother support, sometimes we get regressions.

This works 90% of the time.
For the other 10%, try proton experimental branch, try proton tricks, try eggroll version.
It's just a bunch of clicks and you don't even have to get your hands dirty.


I'd like to mention additional details, if eggroll works better and "Valve doesn't seem to care putting as many useful fixes" it's because eggroll embeds copied windows DLL and stuff that would infringe on the Proton licence, eggroll build faces cease and desist anytime from now but hopefully we're such a small market, corpo sharks don't seem to care about just yet.

Another thing, "Valve" needs to sort their shit for Linux".
No, Valve developers actively working on Linux are just a very few, it's definitely not the company as a whole, just check the announcements and commits, these are always the same 4 or 5 people top, and they're already making wonders given how few they actually are.
They don't freakin have time to sort and curate your steam library as you wrongfully setup your distro.


Finally, icing on the cake, just stop whining already and come help, gets your hands dirty, that's the spirit around here. You can't run the game even if it says "Platinum" ? When you made sure you tried everything, congrats you found a regression, at least properly log a bug with the debug logs provided in hope someone fixes it, (that a lot to ask but why not even try to fix it yourself?).
Instead of threatening going back to windows like a child, you won't be missed.



At least show some respect the work of the community who worked their asses off for this unique alternative to actually happen.
Rant off.
Quoting: aokamiProtonDB is by far the most useful tool around.
This basically tells me which game is a go/no go before I actually buy it. Keep in mind it's actually crowd-sourced, meaning people like you and me, tech savy or not, new to Linux or not are contributing so we can all benefit from it.


By switching to Linux you should have been warned it wasn't an easy way, i.e games are not made for us and it's a miracle already we get them working.
So instead of whining reports are misleading, here's how you use ProtonDB:
1) Check recent reports, wine evolves constantly and given its purpose and wide application range, there will always be regressions;
2) Check for positive reports with the hardware as you have, sometimes just having a given model of GPU or whatev doesn't help
3) Match the proton version of the positive report matching your hardware, as I mentioned sometimes we have new features and smoother support, sometimes we get regressions.

This works 90% of the time.
For the other 10%, try proton experimental branch, try proton tricks, try eggroll version.
It's just a bunch of clicks and you don't even have to get your hands dirty.


I'd like to mention additional details, if eggroll works better and "Valve doesn't seem to care putting as many useful fixes" it's because eggroll embeds copied windows DLL and stuff that would infringe on the Proton licence, eggroll build faces cease and desist anytime from now but hopefully we're such a small market, corpo sharks don't seem to care about just yet.

Another thing, "Valve" needs to sort their shit for Linux".
No, Valve developers actively working on Linux are just a very few, it's definitely not the company as a whole, just check the announcements and commits, these are always the same 4 or 5 people top, and they're already making wonders given how few they actually are.
They don't freakin have time to sort and curate your steam library as you wrongfully setup your distro.


Finally, icing on the cake, just stop whining already and come help, gets your hands dirty, that's the spirit around here. You can't run the game even if it says "Platinum" ? When you made sure you tried everything, congrats you found a regression, at least properly log a bug with the debug logs provided in hope someone fixes it, (that a lot to ask but why not even try to fix it yourself?).
Instead of threatening going back to windows like a child, you won't be missed.



At least show some respect the work of the community who worked their asses off for this unique alternative to actually happen.
Rant off.

Lots of assumption in that comment... Wow! Think I never tried any of your solutions? I'm running a Ryzen 5 3600 with a GTX 1660... On a brand new stock Pop_OS install... Are these Alien parts?

Nevermind, sorry that I hurt your feelings asking for a better tool than ProtonDB. It's just a tendency that I witnessed lately... ProtonDB is getting less and less reliable by the day, like it or not.

It must be me, then... You are right, I'm just a whining child. I'd better be off on Windows, or better, Stadia then.

I must be getting old.. I got less time and patience for that kind of stuff...

I won't comment anymore on the subject.


Last edited by Mohandevir on 5 January 2021 at 11:26 pm UTC
Quoting: aokamiProtonDB is by far the most useful tool around.
I believe it's the only, so yeah. Doesn't say much.
dvd 7 Jan
I still like visiting wine appdb more if i happen to install something that requires any configuration to run with wine/proton. (although the ones i run are not exactly new)
On the other hand, I start the same games on Stadia and it just works: No tweaks, no hassle, just click & play.

For a newcomer, I'm affraid that all these trial and error possibilities are just going to be too much hassle to make Linux attractive.

It's the first time since 2012 that I really think about reinstalling Windows to play games, even if I hate this OS with a passion. I'm just getting bored of dealing with all these "shortcomings" and uncertainties.

Oh well, sorry for this rant. I miss the old days when all we had was Wine... At least we knew exactly what to expect.[/quote

Well proton is wine just now it has enhanced features to make compatibility better. If you need to go back to windows you do you but it sounds like a console is what your after just boot up play no need to play with settings etc or just stick with stadia if you have the connection to make it work for you.
Quoting: Whitewolfe80
Quoting: MohandevirOn the other hand, I start the same games on Stadia and it just works: No tweaks, no hassle, just click & play.

For a newcomer, I'm affraid that all these trial and error possibilities are just going to be too much hassle to make Linux attractive.

It's the first time since 2012 that I really think about reinstalling Windows to play games, even if I hate this OS with a passion. I'm just getting bored of dealing with all these "shortcomings" and uncertainties.

Oh well, sorry for this rant. I miss the old days when all we had was Wine... At least we knew exactly what to expect.

Well proton is wine just now it has enhanced features to make compatibility better. If you need to go back to windows you do you but it sounds like a console is what your after just boot up play no need to play with settings etc or just stick with stadia if you have the connection to make it work for you.

Maybe... But with some hindsight, I like too much Linux to give up... I really feel torn atm. Thinking about it, I'd like to switch to an AMD GPU because I'm suspecting that part of my problem is with my GTX 1660 Super that got weird issues on Linux only (heating and noise), but it's just impossible, atm. Add to this all these Proton issues that I have... Oh well, I might temporarily "give my underwear color" to Microsoft while I have to use that GPU, but I'll probably be back when I have the chance of putting my hands on a RX6600xt... Somewhere in 2022, maybe?


Last edited by Mohandevir on 7 January 2021 at 2:19 pm UTC
Maybe... But with some hindsight, I like too much Linux to give up... I really feel torn atm. Thinking about it, I'd like to switch to an AMD GPU because I'm suspecting that part of my problem is with my GTX 1660 Super that got weird issues on Linux only (heating and noise), but it's just impossible, atm. Add to this all these Proton issues that I have... Oh well, I might temporarily "give my underwear color" to Microsoft while I have to use that GPU, but I'll probably be back when I have the chance of putting my hands on a RX6600xt... Somewhere in 2022, maybe?[/quote]
I get that i use Linux mainly for the customiseable elements but i get where you are coming from but i ve been here long enough to remember old linux gaming when the best game was Wolf Enemy territory. Oh god yeah hardware at any level is crazy price wise now.
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