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More game industry news coming at you following the Team17 buying up Golf With Your Friends and YoYo Games being acquired by Opera we now have Klei Entertainment agreeing for Tencent to take a majority stake in them.

Speaking in a forum post, studio head Jamie Cheng mentioned they've "agreed to deal for Tencent to purchase a majority stake in Klei Entertainment" and that "Klei retains full autonomy of creative and operations across all aspects of the studio, including projects, talent, and more".

Klei have actually been working with Tencent since 2016, as Tencent helped Klei distribute games through China on the WeGame platform and more recently a mobile Don't Starve game. Cheng also mentioned how a "large proportion" of their players are actually from China.

Tencent have invested in a lot of different companies including Riot Games, Epic Games, Funcom, Supercell, Bluehole (PUBG) and many many more. 

Pictured - Don't Starve Together

Klei have been good to Linux for games giving us the likes of Don't Starve, Don't Starve Together, Oxygen Not Included, Invisible, Inc. and Mark of the Ninja. Hopefully more to come with creative control remaining with the current Klei head.

This trend of companies pulling together lots under their banner is a little worrying, too many eggs in one basket.

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TheSHEEEP 24 Jan
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Quoting: Basiani
Quoting: TheSHEEEP
Quoting: slaapliedjeSure, maybe the gameplay didn't change, but what if they dropped Linux support because they couldn't figure out how to install a rootkit, but they did on the Windows version?
An online game needs good anti-cheat software, that's an unfortunate truth.
If rootkits are truly necessary or not is certainly up for debate (I'd say no), but it doesn't really matter for this point.
If an online game does not have good anti-cheat, then the quality of the game would definitely suffer.

I just don't see what the connection between dropping a platform and a game's quality has to do with this?

Two possilbe reasons:
1) Their rootkits doesn't work same way in Linux as on Windows, so it can't do anything against Linux cheaters.
2) Their rootkits can't be hidden from advanced Linux researchers and of caurse they not want that.
That's all correct, and it might be possible explanations of why a platform is dropped - security concerns.
But still nothing of that has anything to do with the quality of the game. I'm really not getting the connection here.

Quoting: areamanplaysgameI can link to Wikipedia, too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tencent#Government_partnerships
1.) Wikipedia as the arbiter of truth - come on It's good for anything historical or scientific, including IT, but as soon as politics are involved, I wouldn't trust Wikipedia more than the next best tabloid journalist...
2.) So, what? You think only the Chinese government has games made on behalf of them? Seriously?
3.) The post you quoted didn't quote Wikipedia to begin with ??

Quoting: areamanplaysgameYou should assume that big multinational corporations based in China are more or less directly controlled by the CCP
Except for the tiny part where this is simply untrue and typical western China bashing.
Even Chinese SOEs have a lot of leeway in how they run their businesses - privately owned companies even more so. And Tencent is not an SOE.
Are large companies monitored by the CCP? Of course - but as long as they don't take action against the government or get too uppity, they can do whatever they want.

Quoting: areamanplaysgameThey don't need your help.
Indeed they don't. And I don't think anyone here is defeding Tencents actions in anything.
What does need some help in the face of your blatant conspiracy of "they control everything!" is the truth, though.
slaapliedje 24 Jan
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Quoting: TheSHEEEP
Quoting: Basiani
Quoting: TheSHEEEP
Quoting: slaapliedjeSure, maybe the gameplay didn't change, but what if they dropped Linux support because they couldn't figure out how to install a rootkit, but they did on the Windows version?
An online game needs good anti-cheat software, that's an unfortunate truth.
If rootkits are truly necessary or not is certainly up for debate (I'd say no), but it doesn't really matter for this point.
If an online game does not have good anti-cheat, then the quality of the game would definitely suffer.

I just don't see what the connection between dropping a platform and a game's quality has to do with this?

Two possilbe reasons:
1) Their rootkits doesn't work same way in Linux as on Windows, so it can't do anything against Linux cheaters.
2) Their rootkits can't be hidden from advanced Linux researchers and of caurse they not want that.
That's all correct, and it might be possible explanations of why a platform is dropped - security concerns.
But still nothing of that has anything to do with the quality of the game. I'm really not getting the connection here.

Quoting: areamanplaysgameI can link to Wikipedia, too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tencent#Government_partnerships
1.) Wikipedia as the arbiter of truth - come on It's good for anything historical or scientific, including IT, but as soon as politics are involved, I wouldn't trust Wikipedia more than the next best tabloid journalist...
2.) So, what? You think only the Chinese government has games made on behalf of them? Seriously?
3.) The post you quoted didn't quote Wikipedia to begin with ??

Quoting: areamanplaysgameYou should assume that big multinational corporations based in China are more or less directly controlled by the CCP
Except for the tiny part where this is simply untrue and typical western China bashing.
Even Chinese SOEs have a lot of leeway in how they run their businesses - privately owned companies even more so. And Tencent is not an SOE.
Are large companies monitored by the CCP? Of course - but as long as they don't take action against the government or get too uppity, they can do whatever they want.

Quoting: areamanplaysgameThey don't need your help.
Indeed they don't. And I don't think anyone here is defeding Tencents actions in anything.
What does need some help in the face of your blatant conspiracy of "they control everything!" is the truth, though.
The quality of the game could be diminished by the anti cheat / rootkit causing performance issues (especially on lower end machines). I apologize if I didn't specify that's what I meant in my previous post, as I thought it would be obvious.
slaapliedje 24 Jan
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Quoting: iwantlinuxgameslink
Ha ha, I think I recently saw something that showed it wasn't Kool-Aid they drank, but actually was a rip off one.

https://www.woot.com/blog/post/the-debunker-did-the-jonestown-cultists-drink-the-kool-aid
QuoteBut here's the detail that most people don't know: the 907 people who died of cyanide poisoning at Jonestown did not ingest the poison in Kool-Aid. Instead, Jones's aids mixed up the fatal cocktail in metal drums of grape Flavor Aid, Kool-Aid's cheaper competitor. Somehow Flavor Aid escaped unscathed from this public relations nightmare, with Kool-Aid taking the hit instead. The Kraft brand seems to be doing okay though, still selling over $300 million worth of its fruity powders every year.
Flavor-Aid


Last edited by slaapliedje on 24 January 2021 at 6:05 pm UTC
Quoting: rea987
Quoting: TheSHEEEPA game losing support for a platform doesn't make the game itself any worse. Just like having Linux support on its own doesn't make any game any better.

You do realize this is a site dedicated to Gaming on Linux? Of course a game losing support for a Linux make itself worse for Linux players.
True but it's good to know what you're arguing about. In this case, talking about whether the game runs on Linux is shifting to arguing about something else than what was originally being discussed--hence, whether true or not, or generally relevant to the site or not, it fails to refute what the other person is saying.
Quoting: slaapliedje
Quoting: iwantlinuxgameslink
Ha ha, I think I recently saw something that showed it wasn't Kool-Aid they drank, but actually was a rip off one.

https://www.woot.com/blog/post/the-debunker-did-the-jonestown-cultists-drink-the-kool-aid
QuoteBut here's the detail that most people don't know: the 907 people who died of cyanide poisoning at Jonestown did not ingest the poison in Kool-Aid. Instead, Jones's aids mixed up the fatal cocktail in metal drums of grape Flavor Aid, Kool-Aid's cheaper competitor. Somehow Flavor Aid escaped unscathed from this public relations nightmare, with Kool-Aid taking the hit instead. The Kraft brand seems to be doing okay though, still selling over $300 million worth of its fruity powders every year.
Flavor-Aid

sure, it's possible....
but brand names very often become "a thing":

let me google that
pass me a kleenex
i need a band-aid
this floor could use a good hoovering(bonus points to anyone who gets that reference)

i just noticed there was alot of Corporate Overlord Propaganda Flavored Kool-Aid on offer here and i wanted to make sure others had more flavors to choose from.


Last edited by iwantlinuxgames on 24 January 2021 at 6:28 pm UTC
Quoting: TheSHEEEP
Quoting: Segata SanshiroMore like authoritarian capitalism or "capitalism with Chinese characteristics." I honestly hope no one tries to emulate that, it sounds like an incredibly unpleasant world to live in.
Don't know about that. In contrast to the slowly collapsing economies we have in the west, their shit works and seems vastly more stable. And that is IMO mostly due to the advantages of authoritarian systems.
Not saying all should copy it, but it should be looked at thoroughly and without blinding idealism to see what improvements, if any, can be taken from it and applied to ours.
Lots of authoritarian systems suck at delivering the goods--most, even. China's does some things that most authoritarian systems don't . . . and actually has for centuries. I see the current Chinese system as basically a modern-tech version of the traditional Chinese "Government by scholars who passed the exam" system. Or, to look at it a different way, as government by the HR department. Basically, the Communist party tries hard to promote based on merit, so despite corruption most of the higher-ups are competent. Meanwhile, so far, capitalist though they basically are, the Chinese government see capitalism and markets as things to be managed rather than worshipped; this works better.

I don't think that situation is stable, though, for the same reasons the Anglosphere postwar welfare state was not stable: Eventually the fast growth that lets both rich and poor see some of their aspirations met will slow down, and their rich, like ours, will realize that if they want to get forever more they're gonna have to steal it from the poor, and to steal it from the poor they'll need more control of the state. Then things will stagnate and get more unequal and unstable and corrupt until the Chinese masses decide they've had enough of being screwed the government has lost the mandate of heaven. It might all happen faster because there won't be residual democracy letting people struggle to keep old reforms.
slaapliedje 24 Jan
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Quoting: iwantlinuxgames
Quoting: slaapliedje
Quoting: iwantlinuxgameslink
Ha ha, I think I recently saw something that showed it wasn't Kool-Aid they drank, but actually was a rip off one.

https://www.woot.com/blog/post/the-debunker-did-the-jonestown-cultists-drink-the-kool-aid
QuoteBut here's the detail that most people don't know: the 907 people who died of cyanide poisoning at Jonestown did not ingest the poison in Kool-Aid. Instead, Jones's aids mixed up the fatal cocktail in metal drums of grape Flavor Aid, Kool-Aid's cheaper competitor. Somehow Flavor Aid escaped unscathed from this public relations nightmare, with Kool-Aid taking the hit instead. The Kraft brand seems to be doing okay though, still selling over $300 million worth of its fruity powders every year.
Flavor-Aid

sure, it's possible....
but brand names very often become "a thing":

let me google that
pass me a kleenex
i need a band-aid
this floor could use a good hoovering(bonus points to anyone who gets that reference)

i just noticed there was alot of Corporate Overlord Propaganda Flavored Kool-Aid on offer here and i wanted to make sure others had more flavors to choose from.
Oh yeah, I know for sure how brand names become synonymous with the definition of that thing. Though for Kool-Aid I'm sure that isn't something they are proud of. 'Drink the Kool-Aid' sounds so much better than 'Drink the Flavor-Aid' though! Both I'm sure are deadly to me without cyanide as they're basically sugar. Stupid diabetes.
Quoting: TheSHEEEP2.) So, what? You think only the Chinese government has games made on behalf of them? Seriously?

No, I don't. Any more stupid questions?
Basiani 25 Jan
Quoting: TheSHEEEPThat's all correct, and it might be possible explanations of why a platform is dropped - security concerns.
But still nothing of that has anything to do with the quality of the game. I'm really not getting the connection here.

Security is just word, it's mask to hide some malware behinde it. EAC, Battleye, Vanguard and PUBG's multiple anti-cheats all are rootkits and Tencent uses standard phrase: "We're not not collecting your personal information, we're using anti-cheats against cheaters".
Give us one bloody reason to trust them?
Who trusts them they don't know about rootkits and security, they know just play games and play them again, nothing more, maybe they not know multiplication table also (from 1x1 to 10x10).
Rootkits are malwares, it doesn't matter for what they are created, all rootkits makes systems vulnerable for another attack vectors.
So, Tencent removes Linux versions, they know that there are many Linux users who don't care about gaming, but can proove that their rootkits are really rootkits, malwares.
have you thinked how many security analystics are interested Tencent's owned rootkits? This analystics also boughted buy Tencent, because they "not exist" any more.
Cheers.


Last edited by Basiani on 30 January 2021 at 3:47 pm UTC
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