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Take down a resurrected Maggie Thatcher in this upcoming Doom II campaign

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Yes that's right, Maggie Thatcher has somehow escaped from Hell in Thatcher's Techbase, a new Doom II campaign that has been announced that will be free to grab on September 24.

Developed by 3D: Doom Daddy Digital this will be a very British take on the whole Doom thing that I can't wait to jump into with a cuppa. Might need a few biscuits too as apparently the UK is the 10th circle of Hell - well it's not wrong. It will be provided as a standard WAD file so it will be playable across any system that can play it. The developer mentioned compatibility with PRBoom, DSDA-Doom, ZDoom and GZDoom.

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The trailer mentions it will have support for five difficult levels, co-op and deathmatch support, gamepad support and an original soundtrack too.

It will need a copy of DOOM II which you can get from GOG and Steam.

Learn more on the official site.

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Tags: FPS, Mod, Retro, Upcoming
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DrMcCoy 18 Sep
Quoting: LanzI know it's popular online to be a rabid leftist, but Thatcher was a remarkably talented woman who deserves our respect, not mockery.

The problem with pissing on Margaret Thatcher's grave is that eventually you run out of piss.
fagnerln 18 Sep
The problem of Linux communities is that the huge part of it isn't people that cares about freedom of the individuals, is just socialists that want to "fight the burgesses".
TheSHEEEP 18 Sep
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Quoting: SamsaiI sure wonder what games the "don't put politics in video games" crowd plays. Pong?
There is no such crowd.
This is an often used misrepresentation of what is being said to build a nice strawman to deconstruct.

What people are talking about when they say "don't put politics in video games" is obviously not "don't have video games that deal with politics as part of their setting/world" - naturally most non-abstract games with a story do that (some game's entire POINT is that, e.g. Disco Elysium) and nobody's got an issue with it.

Instead, the point is that developers should keep their personal opinions and views where they belong (various discussion platforms exist for that purpose) and not taint an entertainment product in order to try and shove their views down the audience's throat via (usually very thinly veiled) pandering, preaching and self-insertions.
Stuff like that is insidious and disgusting.

Now, for games like this one, I would make exceptions.
For one, it is obviously over-the-top satire, there isn't really much of a point made other than "Thatcher bad!" to begin with. It's on the same level as Tonigh We Riot's "Capitalism bad!" - I can't agree with that, but find it cute nonetheless.
Additionaly, nothing here is thinly veiled in the least. You don't get into this game by accident and are then surprised by some anti-Thatcher content. Which is in contrast to a lot of other modern games where you go in expecting nothing vile and suddenly characters become very obvious and annoying mouthpieces for whatever views their creators hold.


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elisto 18 Sep
Quoting: fagnerlnThe problem of Linux communities is that the huge part of it isn't people that cares about freedom of the individuals, is just socialists that want to "fight the burgesses".

I'm loosing brain cells
Spoiler, click me
The fuck is freedom of the individuals ?
Are you define it by Civil liberties or the idealist liberalism sense ?
because latter is a slippery slope her a contradiction for you : "I'm free to own a slave yet the slave isn't free, if you take the slave from me it's a attack to my individual freedom and the same time me owning the slave is clear violation of his right as a individual."

and the strawman about the socialists not caring about freedom of the individuals.
every single labour law was over fought by tear & blood;
from the 40hwork day
to better working condition
In every country people are struggling for a better life and socialists were and are always leading it.

Also WTF is burgesses ?
TheSHEEEP 18 Sep
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Quoting: elistoAlso WTF is burgesses ?
I wondered about that, too, but now I have this urge to fight it
Samsai 18 Sep
Quoting: TheSHEEEPInstead, the point is that developers should keep their personal opinions and views where they belong (various discussion platforms exist for that purpose) and not taint an entertainment product in order to try and shove their views down the audience's throat via (usually very thinly veiled) pandering, preaching and self-insertions.
Stuff like that is insidious and disgusting.
This is extremely arbitrary and unhelpful. If the issue is "personal opinions", does that mean that you cannot create an game that deals with issues you have opinions on? These kinds of standards would have prevented the writing of works like Star Trek and 1984, where the writers had strong personal opinions that inspired their works. Bad, Orwell, bad!

I see two possibilities for what "don't put politics in video games" actually means. Either it means that your problem isn't actually politics, but rather than the quality of the writing which you perceive as preachy or pandering. In this case your problem isn't actually with the politics but poor writing and thus you should really be complaining about poor writing rather than politics.

The more "insidious and disgusting" possibility I see is that this complaint is raised by people when they encounter something that dissents from their norms. Status quo politics aren't political at all, but if it's something I don't like then it's political and if it's political then it has an agenda and if it has an agenda it is a threat. In this case the "don't put politics in video games" is but an attempt to shut down dissenting viewpoints because they are scary. A modern military shooter which glorifies a US invasion on a foreign country is totally apolitical, but a game having a trans character in it is a vicious attack against society that must be stopped before it leads to total chaos and anarchy.

Either way, I don't think the slogan really serves a purpose because clearly even you agree that there are games that deal with politics well. So, perhaps people should be more specific in what they are actually thinking.
TheSHEEEP 18 Sep
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Quoting: SamsaiThis is extremely arbitrary and unhelpful. If the issue is "personal opinions", does that mean that you cannot create an game that deals with issues you have opinions on?
Of course you can, but if you let your opinions run rampant with whatever content you produce and don't manage to separate yourself from the product, the result is nothing but propaganda.

Quoting: SamsaiIn this case your problem isn't actually with the politics but poor writing and thus you should really be complaining about poor writing rather than politics.
One of those leads to the other, it is unavoidable.
If your focus is on pushing some agenda, your focus is not on doing good writing/worldbuilding/etc. and that will always show.

I'm glad you brought up Star Trek - the worst episodes of all the seasons are those in which the writers forgot about their actual job of being writers and instead went all-in on the preaching - you could say they went against their Prime Directive (ba-dum tshh).

So yes, my problem is with the personal politics of the authors, because when those take the front seat, the writing - and other parts, too - suffer enormously.
You can not make it a complaint only about bad writing, because that is just a symptom, not the cause.
The cause is bringing your own politics in.

Quoting: SamsaiThe more "insidious and disgusting" possibility I see is that this complaint is raised by people when they encounter something that dissents from their norms. Status quo politics aren't political at all, but if it's something I don't like then it's political and if it's political then it has an agenda and if it has an agenda it is a threat. In this case the "don't put politics in video games" is but an attempt to shut down dissenting viewpoints because they are scary. A modern military shooter which glorifies a US invasion on a foreign country is totally apolitical, but a game having a trans character in it is a vicious attack against society that must be stopped before it leads to total chaos and anarchy.
Cases like that definitely happen, but I'd say only on the ends of the horseshoe. And extremists from those positions can safely be disregarded.

In the vast majority of cases when I've talked to people about exactly that issue, people agree that it's not about agreement or disagreement with the positions themselves.
In fact, I'd say most people bothered by the preaching agree with the basic point behind it (maybe not surprising given that gaming community as a whole is more left-leaning), but the product is still tainted for them.
Samsai 18 Sep
Quoting: TheSHEEEPOne of those leads to the other, it is unavoidable.
If your focus is on pushing some agenda, your focus is not on doing good writing/worldbuilding/etc. and that will always show.
I am skeptical of the strong link you assert between political motivation and poor writing.

And if your focus is on pushing some agenda, your focus should be on doing good writing because if you have an agenda to push, it is in your interests to sell that agenda well. If a piece of media fails to do so then it's poorly written, and I don't see what value is gained by insisting that the writing would have been better had the writer been less politically engaged. That isn't even criticism, it's just baseless speculation without substance. It isn't constructive and nothing can be learned from it.
TheSHEEEP 18 Sep
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Quoting: SamsaiAnd if your focus is on pushing some agenda, your focus should be on doing good writing because if you have an agenda to push, it is in your interests to sell that agenda well.
You can only have one focus, one thing that is worth more to you than anything else about any given project.
If it is writing, the rest is subjected to it in order to achieve that goal.
If it is agenda pushing, the rest (incl. writing) is subjected in order to achieve that goal.

Any attempt to "balance" things will at best lead to mediocre results and at worst an odd mixture of good writing and blunt preaching alternating within the same product.

Quoting: SamsaiThat isn't even criticism, it's just baseless speculation without substance. It isn't constructive and nothing can be learned from it.
Right, baseless... except being based on probably hundreds (by now) of examples from games, series, movies, entertainment industry itself, etc. from the last two decades proving it right.
With no example (to my knowledge) proving it wrong.

But, sure, go ahead and ignore it if it doesn't fit into your worldview.
I have long stopped caring if someone on the internet acknowledges facts presented to them or not. I doubt that presenting you with more would lead to any useful results.


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Quoting: fagnerlnThe problem of Linux communities is that the huge part of it isn't people that cares about freedom of the individuals, is just socialists that want to "fight the burgesses".
You say that like it's a bad thing.
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