Arch-based distro EndeavourOS gets a new Ganymede release

I'd LOVE to see an Arch-based distro that give us a store-like experience for updates and software installs. It's frustrating that Arch is so obtuse that even tools like Discover (KDE's appstore) is "not recommended for use with Arch-based distros".

I'm on CachyOS now and it ships with Octopi, but that has multiple problems - the interface is probably worse than Synaptic, a thing I didn't believe possible. It doesn't handle the AUR, and it doesn't know about Flatpak. CachyOS does provide a one-stop "upgrade" tool (open a terminal and type "upgrade", ha!), but no GUI exists.

It's a problem, and one that's hand-waved away by dedicated Arch users who say "just use the terminal". I'm fine doing so, but it means that I wouldn't recommend an Arch distro to anyone, ever. You try Arch, tentatively, after years of Linux exposure, and you might still bounce of it because of this.

So, yeah, so frustrating. Powerful software, like Arch, shouldn't be (this) difficult to use.

Arch or arch based is not meant for you. It’s not hard to use the terminal at all or do a package search online.

Also the article is about endeavour os, not about your problems about a store or cachy os.

I've been using Endeavour for a while now. I like it enough that I started to install it on other computers in the house. Its not perfect by any means, and you still get the occasional Arch packages breakage. But considering how my older Ubuntu boxes keep breaking all the time because that distro is now an absolute mess (aw snap!), I can live with the occasional Arch problems.

Quoting: MichelN86Arch or arch based is not meant for you. It’s not hard to use the terminal at all or do a package search online.

Also the article is about endeavour os, not about your problems about a store or cachy os.

Yeah, I should have said, I actually got into Arch because of Endeavour. It's a great O/S. I mentioned CachyOS here because it attempts to fix the issue of non-GUI software-centres by including Octopi, which isn't ditro-specific, but is pretty limited in what it can do address this lack.

Why do you say arch-based isn't for me? I've spent several years on Arch. But I'll ram home my point again, cos it looks like you missed it - powerful tools don't have to be obtuse and no-one befits from elitist attitudes that would prevent unlocking those powerful tools.

So it would be super-cool if someone took the idea of paman and actually presented the power of Arch in an approachable non-distro-specific way.

Quoting: scaineI'd LOVE to see an Arch-based distro that give us a store-like experience for updates and software installs. It's frustrating that Arch is so obtuse that even tools like Discover (KDE's appstore) is "not recommended for use with Arch-based distros".

I'm on CachyOS now and it ships with Octopi, but that has multiple problems - the interface is probably worse than Synaptic, a thing I didn't believe possible. It doesn't handle the AUR, and it doesn't know about Flatpak. CachyOS does provide a one-stop "upgrade" tool (open a terminal and type "upgrade", ha!), but no GUI exists.

It's a problem, and one that's hand-waved away by dedicated Arch users who say "just use the terminal". I'm fine doing so, but it means that I wouldn't recommend an Arch distro to anyone, ever. You try Arch, tentatively, after years of Linux exposure, and you might still bounce of it because of this.

So, yeah, so frustrating. Powerful software, like Arch, shouldn't be (this) difficult to use.

This is the reason why, while not perfect by any means, I just stick with Fedora over Arch based distros. Everything generally works without much fucking around and it feels like a more polished and integrated experience.

Quoting: scaineIt's a problem, and one that's hand-waved away by dedicated Arch users who say "just use the terminal". I'm fine doing so, but it means that I wouldn't recommend an Arch distro to anyone, ever.

Why do you think it's a problem? There are plenty of distros out there that cater to click-ops users. Arch is catered towards people who like using the terminal, who are willing to read manpages, documentation, wiki pages, etc. to administer their systems. It isn't designed for people who want something they don't need to understand and can just click 'next next next, done' on some GUI. When a soname bump in a core library leaves their unsupported (AUR) packages broken, it shouldn't be a surprise, nor a chore, to have to rebuild those packages. When upstream overhauls their configuration file format or makes a change to the defaults, it shouldn't be a surprise, nor a chore, to be alerted to this by pacman and have to merge their .pacnew config files. When a packaging bug gets fixes it shouldn't be a surprise, nor a chore, to check the front page news to read up on why the problem occurred and how they can fix it.

Arch isn't for everyone, and that's fine.

Arch is catered towards people who like using the terminal, who are willing to read manpages, documentation, wiki pages, etc. to administer their systems

Lets not make out like Arch is for super technical linux experts. It's not, it's more geared towards the kind of person who want to think they are. I mean, why not use Gentoo and get really into the weeds.


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