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In the ongoing crazy saga of the internet getting gated behind new age verification laws, Discord are putting on the brakes temporarily.

Writing in a new blog post Discord CTO & Co-Founder Stanislav Vishnevskiy mentioned they "knew this rollout was going to be controversial" and that "In hindsight, we should have provided more detail about our intentions and how the process works" and that with the way it was explained resulting in people thinking everyone had to go through age checks that they "failed at our most basic job: clearly explaining what we're doing and why".

For regions where it is already law that they have to do age checks, because they count as social media, the current rules will be sticking. So that's the UK, Australia and soon Brazil too. And naturally, as more countries roll out these required age checks - those will be forced as well.

Vishnevskiy mentions again, that "For 90%+ of users, nothing changes. Most users never access age-restricted content or change their default safety settings". There's only specific times it will be needed to access certain content and options.

For now, the rest of the world won't have to do anything at all. The global rollout will only happen once these points have been met:

  1. Adding more verification options. We already had alternatives in development, including credit card verification. We’ll complete and expand those before scaling globally so you have more options you’re comfortable with.
  2. Vendor transparency. We’ll document every verification vendor and their practices on our website, and make it clear in the product who each vendor is. We’ve also set a new requirement: any partner offering facial age estimation must perform it entirely on-device. If they don’t meet that bar, we won’t work with them.
  3. A new spoiler channel option. We know many communities use age-restricted channels not for adult content, but for topics people prefer to engage with on their own terms: spoilers, politics, and heavier conversations. We’re building a dedicated spoiler channel option so communities don’t have to age-gate their server just to give members that choice.
  4. A technical blog post before global launch. We’ll publish a detailed post explaining how our automatic age determination systems work, including the signal categories and privacy constraints. So you can evaluate our approach for yourselves.
  5. Age assurance data in our transparency reports. We’ll include how many users were asked to verify, what methods they used, and how often our automated systems handled it without any user action.

Discord also recently open sourced Osprey, a safety tool that other platforms can now use that you can check out on GitHub and read more in the blog post for that.

The fact is - every platform that's a certain size will end up having to do something like this. As I've said previously - it's not a Discord only problem, it's an issue with the laws being passed like the UK Online Safety Act. Transparency is going to be the key to get it right - we deserve to know exactly who will be scanning us and exactly what they will be doing with the data. If you choose to go through with it that is.

Article taken from GamingOnLinux.com.
Tags: Apps, Discord, Misc
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ertuqueque a day ago
Has anyone tried Stoat (https://stoat.chat/) or Movim (https://movim.eu/) as a replacement for Discord?... I know they are not "feature complete", but they seem to be the most phylosophically close to my ethics options so far.
Jarmer a day ago
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I have Stoat installed ... it seems fine. I don't know anyone or any games or etc that's actually using it though ... lol.
Stella 24 hours ago
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Quoting: ertuquequeHas anyone tried Stoat (https://stoat.chat/) or Movim (https://movim.eu/) as a replacement for Discord?... I know they are not "feature complete", but they seem to be the most phylosophically close to my ethics options so far.
I tried it, but Fluxer seems far better so far
Pyrate 6 hours ago
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I don't like Fluxer. I checked the website and it just screams Discord 2.0 to me. Same font and look, and the monetisation was blasted up front which I very much did not appreciate. Apparently, they sold out their lifetime subscriptions already, I think it's in the hundreds of thousands in sales. That's a lot of bag, hopefully they don't walk back on their promise... It'd also be funny if those who paid lifetime to get their server hosted by Fluxer for them get hit with age verification again at some point because as Liam keeps saying, it's only a matter of time for these centralised services.

I've also read posts from technical people criticising the codebase with regards to self hosting. I'm not well versed in this topic so can't affirm the findings.

Point is, I think it's highly unwise to pick the projects that are trying their hardest to be 'literally discord', as one should learn and attempt to not make the same mistake again. With this in mind, my criteria for eligible projects is: open source, and zero money involved outside of donations, grass roots, strictly self hosted and decentralised.

Someone made a list of the difdiscord-selfhosted-alternatives:
https://github.com/Vigno04/discord-selfhosted-alternatives
Out of those, I'm going Sharkord as I mentioned in my forum post last week.
ertuqueque 2 hours ago
Personally, between Fluxer, Stoat, Movim and Sharkord, I pick Movim... Is the least similar to Discord, but that's a plus for me. I don't like Discord's workflow, I find it confusing and cumbersome. I used Discord a couple times a year and everytime was confusing and unintuitive...

I find Movim more like a chat + blog + social netwotk app were I can do several things in one place if I want to or just stick with what I want and the other functions won't get in the way. Plus, since it uses the XMPP protocol, other people can communicate with Movim users using Conversations, Gajim or other XMPP apps if they prefer.

Movim still needs to add some functions to really replace Discord, but I'd rather wait for them than jump on another hyped platform (Fluxer, Sharkord, Kloak or even Stoat) with very little time under the sun, unproven protocols, no E2EE, unclear licence/monetization, etc.
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