Give fascists the finger and a few bullets in Too Many F*cking Nazis

Dude (i assume you're a dude, right?), please show me a single government that has enforced "forced acceptance", or where the more conservative to far-right were so completely singled out of the public debate as you're trying to portray. i'll wait.

Great Britain

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Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: eggroleExtremism is created when there is a lack of communication

No it isn't. Different political camps never communicated much and probably never will. Extremism is created when the system as it is fails to meet the needs of large and increasing numbers of people,

For the last 10 or so years people have been saying "hey, maybe all this immigration isn't a good idea." They have made points that one might agree or disagree with, but it was their position. And that entire time the governments and the opposing parties have said to them, resoundingly, "STFU, Nazi, Racist, Bigot!" (as also seen in some post in this very thread).

Could we get real? You can say a lot about what "people" have been saying. But we are talking here about what's often called the alt-right; people like MAGA in the US, Reform in Britain, Alternativ fur Deutschland in Germany (who are actual Nazis) and so on. Those people have not been saying "hey, maybe all this immigration isn't a good idea."

They have been saying immigrants are all rapists, or terrorists, or drug dealers. That they're eating the cats. That they are shiftless unemployed living off government handouts of "our" taxpayers' money, and simultaneously stealing "our" jobs. That their religions and cultures are evil and worthless. They have been saying gays are or have a plot to undermine Western civilization and plunge the world into chaos. They have been saying teachers who treat trans and gay people decently are pedophile groomers. They have been saying natural disasters are caused by there being too many atheists, or whatever other sort of non-evangelical-christian peeves them at the moment. They have been saying that "liberals" who favour rights for immigrants, or gays, or trans, or non-whites, or lately even women, are traitors who should be jailed or executed. And leftists, like, say, me, it's way worse--they call us filth, a poison or a disease and say we should be massacred, wiped out, expunged like a stain. I was just looking at some right wing Americans' reactions to Trump starving the people of Cuba--they're freakin' jubilant, because Cubans are Communists. And the alt-right have consistently refused to ever apologize for any of the vile, libelous crap they have spewed. And of course they've shot up mosques, and synagogues, and tried to assassinate the Prime Minister of Canada, and generally done a whole lot of violence against the people they have dehumanized. It is clear from the beginnings of it with ICE in the US that they would do plenty more such violence given the chance.

All that, and you want me to talk about them as if they are reasonable people with minor differences on the subject of high levels of immigration? Fuck that. They want me dead, for one thing. That's not a very minor difference.

You may be willing to have a reasonable discussion of the roots of these people's views. But they sure aren't. And you want me to go to these people whose whole deal is hate, hostility and complete refusal to engage or compromise in any way, and talk sweet compromise with them and say their hostility is all centrists' and leftists' fault for not being nice to them. Nonsense. And I gotta ask you, do you go to the social media rabbit holes of this stuff and tell them "For 10 years, liberal people and immigrants have been saying "hey, maybe we should just treat human beings like human beings"" and ask them "say have you ever just talked to the liberals and leftists and immigrants and gays?" I'd be willing to bet that no, you don't. The compromising is only supposed to go one way. And that way is on the backs of people whose rights and lives don't in their opinion matter like a real person's.

And in point of fact, "liberals" such as the UK Labour party or the US Democrats have been compromising with these people and explaining away all the things they do and say, and adopting far too many of their ideas. Has this caused them to get less angry? No it has not. It has just encouraged them to go further. Your call for civility is in the end just a call for surrender by stages. And that might fly with liberals, but I'm not a liberal.

Anyone else who's been saying "Oh but the problem is we aren't being nice enough to the fascists" can take this as a response to them too.