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Title: Shadow of Mordor 1050 ti no improvement over 750 ti
soupercooper 30 Nov 2016
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Hello,

I just bought a 1050 ti evga superclocked edition. I replaced it from a 750 ti evga superclocked edition. The Unigine Heaven benchmarks look good, gaining a 13 fps average (29.3, 7.1, 62.6 to 42.4, 7.8, 95.7 avg/min/max ultra settings extreme tessalation no AA). However, when I went to benchmark Shadow of Mordor, I saw no significant improvment (32, 15, 62 to 34, 17, 69 medium preset). When I play, it hovers at around 30 with frequent drops to 25 and below. Am I missing a launch option or do I have to change something in the driver settings? I already have __GL_ShaderPortabilityWarnings=0 %command% in my launch options. I am currently running the latest 375.20 drivers.

My rig consists of a fx 8120 at stock, 16gb 1333mhz ram and 2 1080p monitors and linux mint 18
soupercooper 30 Nov 2016
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I tried also downgrading to 375.10 drivers, and there was no change.
Xpander 30 Nov 2016
its your cpu, crappy singlethread performance, its bottlenecking.

you could try __GL_THREADED_OPTIMIZATIONS=1 %command% , it sometimes helps but i think feral games already do that by def.
soupercooper 30 Nov 2016
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When I ran __GL_THREADED_OPTIMIZATIONS=1 %command% I gained 1fps, so the launch option didn't help much. What would be a good CPU for that game?
manero666 30 Nov 2016
try to overclock your CPU a bit to see how much you can gain.
soupercooper 30 Nov 2016
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try to overclock your CPU a bit to see how much you can gain.
I can't because my case has very bad airflow. When I play the temp goes up to around 70C for the cpu at stock according to psensor.
manero666 1 Dec 2016
well you know, you could remove your side panel :whistle:
g000h 1 Dec 2016
Even though, as you describe, your case is not well ventilated, I would also suggest that you should consider upgrading your CPU fan.

I have come across a number of computers where the CPU was inadequately cooled, and it gets to high temperature, and then the CPU speed throttles down to contend with the excess heat.

Something like a Coolermaster Hyper TX3 EVO (usually costing less than £20 online) which can be used with AMD or Intel CPUs:
[https://www.cclonline.com/product/76741/RR-TX3E-22PK-R1/CPU-Coolers/Cooler-Master-Hyper-TX3-EVO-CPU-Cooler/CLR0413/](https://www.cclonline.com/product/76741/RR-TX3E-22PK-R1/CPU-Coolers/Cooler-Master-Hyper-TX3-EVO-CPU-Cooler/CLR0413/)

If you decide to upgrade your PC case, I'd recommend a recent purchase of mine: Aerocool VS-1
[https://www.cclonline.com/product/200807/EN58065/Cases/Aerocool-VS-1-Mid-Tower-Case-Black-/CAS2523/](https://www.cclonline.com/product/200807/EN58065/Cases/Aerocool-VS-1-Mid-Tower-Case-Black-/CAS2523/)

Not only is this case incredibly cheap but it is better built than many budget models, and has space to fit a full-size GTX1080 graphics.
soupercooper 2 Dec 2016
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Thank you for your replies.

As you have suggested, I have traded in my 8120 for an 8320 and a better case (Fractal R4) I also bought a corsair h110i watercooler. I will show the benchmarks of it at stock and OC. This is the Shadow of Mordor Benchmark 1080p Medium settings No tesselation and no AA

8120 stock 34, 17, 69
8320 stock 38, 18, 80
8320 3.6 GHz (100 MHz OC) 39, 19, 79
8320 3.8 GHz (300 MHz OC) 39, 20, 76
8320 4.0 GHz (500 MHz OC) 41, 21, 81

I am afraid of turning it up any further because my mobo (M5A97 LE R2.0) is not suited for extreme overclocking. Not a stellar improvement either, but I will probably upgrade to zen or kaby lake once it comes out.
PublicNuisance 2 Dec 2016
Quoting: soupercooperHello,

I just bought a 1050 ti evga superclocked edition. I replaced it from a 750 ti evga superclocked edition. The Unigine Heaven benchmarks look good, gaining a 13 fps average (29.3, 7.1, 62.6 to 42.4, 7.8, 95.7 avg/min/max ultra settings extreme tessalation no AA). However, when I went to benchmark Shadow of Mordor, I saw no significant improvment (32, 15, 62 to 34, 17, 69 medium preset). When I play, it hovers at around 30 with frequent drops to 25 and below. Am I missing a launch option or do I have to change something in the driver settings? I already have __GL_ShaderPortabilityWarnings=0 %command% in my launch options. I am currently running the latest 375.20 drivers.

My rig consists of a fx 8120 at stock, 16gb 1333mhz ram and 2 1080p monitors and linux mint 18
To compare my results to yours I got the following at medium preset with tessellation on and FXAA:

Min: 24.26
AVG: 46.47
Max: 83.28

I have an FX-9590 @ 4.7 GHz, a GTX 680 2GB, 16GB of DDR3-2133 RAM, Linux Mint 17.3, kernel 4.4.0-51 and am using the 367.57 drivers. I'd have to agree with the others that your CPU is holding you back although getting faster RAM could help as well.
wolfyrion 3 Dec 2016
1) CPU
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Overclocking your CPU will increase your fps if the CPU is a bottleneck but most of the times not that much.
The FX-8120 doesnt perform well on single threaded applications/games and the problem is that most of the Games are coded to take advantage of 1 core and some maybe 3-4 max. In short I think your CPU is a bit of bottleneck.
The FX-8350, is the recommended CPU for Shadow of Mordor but I will give you some other tips to check out

2) Memory = 16GB (I hope are 2x Modules and not a single Module)
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When you have a second memory module,make sure that the dual-channel mode is enabled and that will double the memory bandwidth. GPU performance is highly dependent on memory bandwidth and your frame rates will increase.

3) Motherboard
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I dont know what motherboard you have but make sure you are using a pci express x16,
Some motherboards have pci express slots that in bios you can set it up as gen2 or gen3.
(in a descent motherboard the above options in tests didnt make much of a difference but some users reported that their benchmarks went up, some other said that setting their pci express from gen3 to gen2 had better performance)

All components play a significant role in performance..
soupercooper 3 Dec 2016
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Quoting: wolfyrion1) CPU
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Overclocking your CPU will increase your fps if the CPU is a bottleneck but most of the times not that much.
The FX-8120 doesnt perform well on single threaded applications/games and the problem is that most of the Games are coded to take advantage of 1 core and some maybe 3-4 max. In short I think your CPU is a bit of bottleneck.
The FX-8350, is the recommended CPU for Shadow of Mordor but I will give you some other tips to check out

2) Memory = 16GB (I hope are 2x Modules and not a single Module)
------------------------------------------------------------
When you have a second memory module,make sure that the dual-channel mode is enabled and that will double the memory bandwidth. GPU performance is highly dependent on memory bandwidth and your frame rates will increase.

3) Motherboard
--------------
I dont know what motherboard you have but make sure you are using a pci express x16,
Some motherboards have pci express slots that in bios you can set it up as gen2 or gen3.
(in a descent motherboard the above options in tests didnt make much of a difference but some users reported that their benchmarks went up, some other said that setting their pci express from gen3 to gen2 had better performance)

All components play a significant role in performance..
If you see my post above, you can see that I traded in my 8120 for 8320 and I OC to 4GHz

2. I do have dual channel

3. Again if you see my post above, you can see that I have the M5A97 LE R2.0 and i think that's only pci gen 2.0
Xpander 3 Dec 2016
i am getting pretty much same performance with my FX8320 and GTX 1070. you see GPU doesnt really matter in this case. i have OC at 4.4Ghz. memory in dual channel.

AMD CPUs just suck at singlethreading and OpenGL is pretty much singlethreaded.. its modified to take advantage of multiple cores but its not as good as say DX11 in that area. At least thats what i have gathered from developers.
so for gaming in linux and opengl you need really good single core performance to get better framerates in most cases.

PCI-E gen2.0 vs 3.0 doesnt make difference, i havent seen utilization going to 100% yet with my gen2.0

results at 1080p

Ultra: 38FPS avg, 18FPS min, 72FPS max
High: 41FPS avg, 19FPS min, 86FPS max
Medium: 41FPS avg,19FPS min, 82FPSmax
soupercooper 3 Dec 2016
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Quoting: Xpanderi am getting pretty much same performance with my FX8320 and GTX 1070. you see GPU doesnt really matter in this case. i have OC at 4.4Ghz. memory in dual channel.

AMD CPUs just suck at singlethreading and OpenGL is pretty much singlethreaded.. its modified to take advantage of multiple cores but its not as good as say DX11 in that area. At least thats what i have gathered from developers.
so for gaming in linux and opengl you need really good single core performance to get better framerates in most cases.

PCI-E gen2.0 vs 3.0 doesnt make difference, i havent seen utilization going to 100% yet with my gen2.0

results at 1080p

Ultra: 38FPS avg, 18FPS min, 72FPS max
High: 41FPS avg, 19FPS min, 86FPS max
Medium: 41FPS avg,19FPS min, 82FPSmax
I have a brother who has a 750 ti and a 8150 (So better than my old setup), he runs windows and when he plays, he can run it 40-50 fps on the high preset with barely any drops. And as you said OPENGL is singlethreaded, so I hope that someday feral interactive will use vulkan on this game, maybe even after deus ex. In the meantime though, I guess I'll have to wait to either buy zen or kaby lake, or wait until if any news if feral has any plans to port this to vulkan.
Xpander 3 Dec 2016
waiting for Zen also.. if its good then Zen, if not then also Kaby Lake
PublicNuisance 3 Dec 2016
Quoting: soupercooper
Quoting: Xpanderi am getting pretty much same performance with my FX8320 and GTX 1070. you see GPU doesnt really matter in this case. i have OC at 4.4Ghz. memory in dual channel.

AMD CPUs just suck at singlethreading and OpenGL is pretty much singlethreaded.. its modified to take advantage of multiple cores but its not as good as say DX11 in that area. At least thats what i have gathered from developers.
so for gaming in linux and opengl you need really good single core performance to get better framerates in most cases.

PCI-E gen2.0 vs 3.0 doesnt make difference, i havent seen utilization going to 100% yet with my gen2.0

results at 1080p

Ultra: 38FPS avg, 18FPS min, 72FPS max
High: 41FPS avg, 19FPS min, 86FPS max
Medium: 41FPS avg,19FPS min, 82FPSmax
I have a brother who has a 750 ti and a 8150 (So better than my old setup), he runs windows and when he plays, he can run it 40-50 fps on the high preset with barely any drops. And as you said OPENGL is singlethreaded, so I hope that someday feral interactive will use vulkan on this game, maybe even after deus ex. In the meantime though, I guess I'll have to wait to either buy zen or kaby lake, or wait until if any news if feral has any plans to port this to vulkan.
Yeah on Windows I have used an FX-8350, an FX-6100 and my FX-9590 and all do very well with DirectX games. In paticular games from EA and Ubisoft make good use of more than 4 cores. Hopefully OpenGL continues to get better in this regard. It makes it tough using Linux for gaming when I know that on Windows I would usually get much higher FPS. There are exceptions though. Soma seems to run better under Linux for me than in Windows.
edddeduck_feral 6 Dec 2016
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AMD CPUs struggle on gaming on Linux and are often a large bottle neck.

This is mitigated a little on Windows due to the way DirectX works on Windows and the large efforts by Microsoft to optimise their systems so they work better on AMD CPUs. However even on Windows the performance of games can be limited by the CPU. Deus Ex Mankind Divided for example, on Windows the best AMD FX8/9 series CPU with an Nvidia 1080 gets similar performance figures to an Intel i3. It's sometimes marginal and depends on the game etc but in general you can get a large boost by swapping to Intel CPU.
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