Quoting: GuestWell....steam play _is_ wine, or at least a custom version of it. New purchases count as GNU/Linux apparently, but older ones won't, and it all runs via (proprietary) Steam anyway. Just think you might have been missing out on some gaming if you didn't want to use wine before!

Good for even more clarity from my side:

Yes, I agree that Steam Play is fundamentally WINE.

BUT, my point about using it:

When I use Steam Play then Valve and the game developers can see my usage as playing on Linux.
If I were to use regular WINE, then playing a Steam game would register me as a Windows player.

Steam Play is zero-effort WINE.
I would most likely boot up to Windows, to play a Windows game, if I was that keen on the Windows game.
Thanks to Steam Play, I can play a Windows game without tweaking WINE myself OR booting into Windows.

I started playing DOOM (2016) in 2016 on Windows, because I liked and wanted the game so much. My purchase registered as a Windows gamer and my play registered as Windows gaming. After getting my DOOM fix (back in 2016), I have practically not touched Windows at all since then. I've played everything on Linux - native Linux which registers as playing on Linux. Finally, I can return to DOOM and play it on Linux, with it being registered as Linux game-play.

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Quoting: GuestWell....steam play _is_ wine, or at least a custom version of it. New purchases count as GNU/Linux apparently, but older ones won't, and it all runs via (proprietary) Steam anyway. Just think you might have been missing out on some gaming if you didn't want to use wine before!

Good for even more clarity from my side:

Yes, I agree that Steam Play is fundamentally WINE.

BUT, my point about using it:

When I use Steam Play then Valve and the game developers can see my usage as playing on Linux.
If I were to use regular WINE, then playing a Steam game would register me as a Windows player.

Steam Play is zero-effort WINE.
I would most likely boot up to Windows, to play a Windows game, if I was that keen on the Windows game.
Thanks to Steam Play, I can play a Windows game without tweaking WINE myself OR booting into Windows.

I started playing DOOM (2016) in 2016 on Windows, because I liked and wanted the game so much. My purchase registered as a Windows gamer and my play registered as Windows gaming. After getting my DOOM fix (back in 2016), I have practically not touched Windows at all since then. I've played everything on Linux - native Linux which registers as playing on Linux. Finally, I can return to DOOM and play it on Linux, with it being registered as Linux game-play.

This. I want to echo this so much.

I also could never be fucked with the hassle of wine. I want to download, hit play and not deal with much else.

May I join the "Wine is too clunky to use" chorus. I know people more techie than me will explain to me how simple it it to use. NO. When it comes to games I want to hit play and play. I tinker enough with stuff at work. And guess what - it's tiresome, but I have the incentive of getting paid for it. When I am at home, I want to run Steam Big Picture, grab one of my controllers and just play and relax. I first installed Linux 8 years ago. In all that time Wine has always felt and still feels like too much of a hassle as compared to just booting into Windows.

Ever since Proton came out I've spent 99% of my time on my home PC in Linux. I barely have time to game lately (6 week old baby) and I spent more time just trying out what works and what doesn't. But just knowing I can boot a Windows game and just play it without having to restart and boot in Windows gives such comfort.

Quoting: GuestI was just curious that there seem to be so many troubles with people using wine. I guess it depends on the games and whatnot - I just install a game (via wine), and play. One prefix, and it all just works (well, most of the games just work). No mess, no fuss.
Probably more a reflection of my choice of games. Maybe wine is just more stable with those that I tend to enjoy playing.

Try to find instructions on how to set up a 32bit Wine prefix, I guarantee you'll find a dozen different sets of instructions & every one of them will be wrong. A newcomer to Wine is in deep water with no lifeguard, unless they stick to just using it in Steam without any tinkering.

Quoting: GuestSorry, but that was my whole point: I haven't needed to tinker with wine. I haven't had to setup anything special. So what need do I have of setting up a special 32bit prefix?
Dunno, maybe it's a distro thing. Setting up a custom prefix of any kind with wine is incredibly simple anyways, but again I've not actually needed to play with doing that. Actually I play more wine gaming outside of Steam purely because I run a more updated version than what they package with.

How do you know it's simple if you've never tried to do it? See this is my point about Wine, everyone knows it's simple to do certain things but then they never actually come out & say what makes it simple or even how to do it & the ones who do generally get it bass ackwards.

Quoting: GuestNever said I never tried. I did when DXVK first came out so that I wouldn't mess with the main prefix. And it was easy. Please stop your accusatory language. I was asking why people found they could play games with "Proton", but couldn't with wine. In short, they've had trouble with running wine, or having to tweak wine to get games to play. I've not had that experience. I've not had to mess about with tweaks to get (most) games to run. Mostly I just install and use the desktop menu system to just play them.

Leave the fish out of it.

Will do. Apologies.