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razing32 commented on 23 September 2018 at 7:17 pm UTC

TL;DR
Recommend me a stable distro. No surprises from updates etc.

/rant
Ok , so today an Arch update seems to have broken most of my steam/gog games. I think it may have something to do with libpcre.so.3 but this catches me in a BAAAAD mood. (Too much going on in my personal life at the moment to waste time troubleshooting.)
/end rant

Looking for a distro that just works out of the box without too much tinkering.
Looking at Ubuntu can't say I like how they do things. May give Mint a go.
Really tempted by Debian. curios how stable it is , but a bit confused which ISO i should use for installation , how Nvidia install goes etc.

s8as8a commented on 23 September 2018 at 7:48 pm UTC

Debian stretch/stable, but with Mesa and the Linux kernel from stretch-backports/stable-backports?

Some relevant links:
https://www.debian.org/distrib/

https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libegl1-mesa&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all&sourceid=mozilla-search

https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-amd64&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all&sourceid=mozilla-search

Edit:
I read your post more carefully. I guess just Debian stable with its regular kernel and maybe nvidia-driver from stretch-backports/stable-backports, but a long time ago, when I used to use Nvidia, the proprietary driver from the stable repositories gave me no problems. I think needing bleeding-edge or bleeding-edge-ish drivers is an AMD "problem".

Relevant link:
https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=nvidia-driver&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all&sourceid=mozilla-search

lucinos commented on 23 September 2018 at 7:49 pm UTC

These days I only use Arch, Manjaro and Bunsenlabs (debian), so maybe wait for someone else to give opinion.

Debian is absolutely stable, maybe too stable for gaming.

I would probably suggest go to Manjaro or Ubuntu (although I hate ubuntu with passion).

Sparky Linux (also debian) is very nice too.

razing32 commented on 23 September 2018 at 7:51 pm UTC

s8as8aDebian stretch/stable, but with Mesa and the Linux kernel from stretch-backports/stable-backports?

Some relevant links:
https://www.debian.org/distrib/

https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libegl1-mesa&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all&sourceid=mozilla-search

https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-amd64&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all&sourceid=mozilla-search

Edit:
I read your post more carefully. I guess just Debian stable with its regular kernel and maybe nvidia-driver from stretch-backports/stable-backports.

Relevant link:
https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=nvidia-driver&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all&sourceid=mozilla-search

Hmm , interesting , thank you.
I realize based on your PC info you use AMD , but , how much of a PITA is it to install Nvidia ?
On Arch it is just one command. Curios if Debian is more or less painful.

razing32 commented on 23 September 2018 at 7:52 pm UTC

lucinosThese days I only use Arch, Manjaro and Bunsenlabs (debian), so maybe wait for someone else to give opinion.

Debian is absolutely stable, maybe too stable for gaming.

I would probably suggest go to Manjaro or Ubuntu (although I hate ubuntu with passion).

Sparky Linux (also debian) is very nice too.

I don;t like Ubuntu either tbh , that's why I would opt for Mint.
Have not considered Sparky. Does it have good docs/repos ?

s8as8a commented on 23 September 2018 at 7:55 pm UTC

razing32
s8as8aDebian stretch/stable, but with Mesa and the Linux kernel from stretch-backports/stable-backports?

Some relevant links:
https://www.debian.org/distrib/

https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libegl1-mesa&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all&sourceid=mozilla-search

https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-amd64&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all&sourceid=mozilla-search

Edit:
I read your post more carefully. I guess just Debian stable with its regular kernel and maybe nvidia-driver from stretch-backports/stable-backports.

Relevant link:
https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=nvidia-driver&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all&sourceid=mozilla-search

Hmm , interesting , thank you.
I realize based on your PC info you use AMD , but , how much of a PITA is it to install Nvidia ?
On Arch it is just one command. Curios if Debian is more or less painful.
As "painful" as apt-get install -y nvidia-driver (as root) (so, one command, like you say is the case with Arch). (With AMD, you don't even have to run any command whatsoever.) ;P

razing32 commented on 23 September 2018 at 7:55 pm UTC

s8as8a
razing32
s8as8aDebian stretch/stable, but with Mesa and the Linux kernel from stretch-backports/stable-backports?

Some relevant links:
https://www.debian.org/distrib/

https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libegl1-mesa&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all&sourceid=mozilla-search

https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-amd64&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all&sourceid=mozilla-search

Edit:
I read your post more carefully. I guess just Debian stable with its regular kernel and maybe nvidia-driver from stretch-backports/stable-backports.

Relevant link:
https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=nvidia-driver&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all&sourceid=mozilla-search

Hmm , interesting , thank you.
I realize based on your PC info you use AMD , but , how much of a PITA is it to install Nvidia ?
On Arch it is just one command. Curios if Debian is more or less painful.
As "painful" as apt-get install -y nvidia-driver (as root). (With AMD, you don't even have to run any command whatsoever.) ;P

Cool

lucinos commented on 23 September 2018 at 7:59 pm UTC

razing32Have not considered Sparky. Does it have good docs/repos ?

It is Debian. It is to debian about what Antergos is to Arch (that close not the Manjaro-Arch relation, manjaro remains compatible in every way to Arch but is also independent, while Antergos is not independent).

s8as8a commented on 23 September 2018 at 8:05 pm UTC

Oh, about which ISO to use, net install is a small iso that relies mostly on an Internet connection, the CD 1 and DVD 1 are less reliant on an Internet connection, and those two should be the same in practice, where numbers 2 and above are just extra packages, so that you can still use the repositories without having an Internet connection, but if you have an Internet connection, the first iso should be enough, even if you need some packages it doesn't provide (because it can get them, if you allow the installer to use your Internet connection).

razing32 commented on 23 September 2018 at 8:47 pm UTC

s8as8aOh, about which ISO to use, net install is a small iso that relies mostly on an Internet connection, the CD 1 and DVD 1 are less reliant on an Internet connection, and those two should be the same in practice, where numbers 2 and above are just extra packages, so that you can still use the repositories without having an Internet connection, but if you have an Internet connection, the first iso should be enough, even if you need some packages it doesn't provide (because it can get them, if you allow the installer to use your Internet connection).

Would one of these work for my needs :
https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/9.5.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/
?

s8as8a commented on 23 September 2018 at 9:20 pm UTC

razing32
s8as8aOh, about which ISO to use, net install is a small iso that relies mostly on an Internet connection, the CD 1 and DVD 1 are less reliant on an Internet connection, and those two should be the same in practice, where numbers 2 and above are just extra packages, so that you can still use the repositories without having an Internet connection, but if you have an Internet connection, the first iso should be enough, even if you need some packages it doesn't provide (because it can get them, if you allow the installer to use your Internet connection).

Would one of these work for my needs :
https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/9.5.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/
?
If I'm correct, the link you gave is just for proprietary firmware (since Debian strips out anything proprietary by default, but makes it easy to re-install it/them).

Here's a direct link to what you want.:
https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/bt-cd/debian-9.5.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso.torrent

(The link I gave says "xfce", but it can install other desktop environments, instead of or in addition to Xfce, if you allow the installer to have access to the Internet. Also, the link I gave is the torrent version, which helps reduce the load on the Debian project's servers, as compared to the regular HTTPS download.)

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