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Title: Fine with ARCH, but is there any better distro out there?
HerrLange 6 Oct 2018
I‘m about to replace my entire pc (except gfx card) with either the upcoming ryzen 2 or the intel 9xxx cpus next spring. This includes the SSDs. Therefore and because I want to I will install linux from scratch.

At the moment I‘m using Arch. The installation is about 4 years old and I‘m totally pleased in terms of stability and performance. I had only issues with updates introducing wayland defaults interfering with my nvidia gfx card.

Honestly I‘m addicted to versions and really need to have the latest version of most things. E.g. gfx drivers, kernel, browsers, gnome and numerous utilities. For security reasons I try to minimize 3rd pary repos or things like AUR or PPA. Currently I have just 3 AUR packages installed.

In the beginning I tried to have this with ubuntu ending up in trusting dozends of alternative repos and PPAs. But in my opinion this puts you into a high risk because you cannot really trust all those repos that run software wth root privelagues. So i switched to rolling release/Arch which seems the best option for me. Do you think this is true?

What do you think about Antergos? It seems to be ARCH with an installer? Are there any disadvantages compared do a desktop linux setup done like ARCH traditional?

I plan to try out Open Suse thumbleweed. I already tried to Fedora but wasn‘t that pleased.
At work I deal a lot with SLES, RHEL, core os, tiny box and Ubuntu. I never really made experiences with Debian, but most of my raspies are running raspian because I care only about stability (and security). I never touched any other distros like Slackware so far.

Are there other distros that I should have a look at or you would recommend under the given boundarys?
Shmerl 7 Oct 2018
I'm using Debian testing, which in general is good.
ageres 7 Oct 2018
But software from standard repos and from PPAs is made by the same people, what's risky in that? For example, if you install LibreOffice in Ubuntu 18.04, you'll get version 6.0 while there is version 6.1 in its PPA. If a PPA is stated on an official website of some program, I believe it's safe.

If you are fine with Arch, stick with Arch. You can also try upcoming Ubuntu 18.10 (Lubuntu finally switches from LXDE to LXQt there) which is going to have the newest possible software without a need to use many PPAs. The downside is that you'll have to upgrade it every six month, and this could be annoying if you are accustomed to a rolling-release distro.
Shmerl 7 Oct 2018
If you prefer rolling distros, don't use Ubuntu. It's not rolling by design. Since you are already comfortable with Arch, continue using rolling distros in general.
ziabice 7 Oct 2018
If you are an Arch user, your natural choice is [Manjaro Linux](https://manjaro.org/), which is an Arch Linux derivative.

Pros:
- It's still Arch Linux, but is oriented toward the casual user
- Rolling release
- All the software you already know from Arch Linux (pacman, etc...), plus AUR
- Graphical installer and settings manager
- Graphical package manager
- Packages are more tested
- Supports latest NVIDIA drivers out of the box
- Great community

Cons:
- It's a rolling release, but "less rolling": you have to wait longer for upgrades (usually a week or two)
- Sometimes packages from AUR can't be installed because the system has old packages or conflicting one (it's not so common, but it happens)
Samsai 7 Oct 2018
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If you are already happy with Arch, using an Arch derivative gets you nothing. Manjaro is basically just an out-dated Arch with its own semi-rolling repositories (which means if you ask the Arch community for support you won't be getting any) and Antergos is just Arch but with some themes and an installer.

So, basically, if you like Arch then Arch is what you want. Not really any other distro out there quite like it.
HerrLange 7 Oct 2018
Thx for the comments so far @all

Honestly I dislike the concept of Manjaro and am not convinced it helps avoiding issues. In a best case they are able to automate things like manually deleting packages/folders which is sometimes necessary for Arch. Also I'm fine with the console.

Regarding Antergos which seems to be widely used:
Is it bloated or do I really start with a naked linux?
Does it make some choices I have to revert or can't influence, e.g. using networkmanager? Partitioning? Bootloader? ...?
lucinos 7 Oct 2018
Quoting: madchaotikanThx for the comments so far @all

Honestly I dislike the concept of Manjaro and am not convinced it helps avoiding issues. In a best case they are able to automate things like manually deleting packages/folders which is sometimes necessary for Arch. Also I'm fine with the console.

Regarding Antergos which seems to be widely used:
Is it bloated or do I really start with a naked linux?
Does it make some choices I have to revert or can't influence, e.g. using networkmanager? Partitioning? Bootloader? ...?
Manjaro does not really helps avoiding issues but I would suggest just try it! Easiest installation ever! Personally I had bad experience with Antergos and did not tried it again and probably never try it again since I am just using Arch and Manjaro, and on older computers Bunsenlabs (debian).

Bootloader I only trust Grub. I tried other bootloaders but they where not as easy and reliable.
skyrrd 8 Oct 2018
Some time ago that I used antergos, but iirc it's rather a shortcut to a working desktop environment (some to choose from) then an independent distribution. It doesn't have any own repositories or does differ in any other way from arch than making the install process quite simple.

Don't get me wrong I used to love arch and also antergos when I didn't have the nerves to set up the complete system from scratch.

With antergos you will basically, have the same choices as with arch. Partitioning ca happen automatically or manually with chnci installer and regarding bootloader there is grub and I believe one alternative.
But the simplification of the install process also takes away some degree of control over what gets installed and what settings are configured, but most things can be changed afterwards.

But, if you really want to have complete control over your setup and don't mind compiling your packages from source, you could also give gentoo a try. I have been a former arch user and I must say I really love gentoo now. But everyone has his very own taste ?
damarrin 8 Oct 2018
Quoting: skyrrdBut everyone has his very own taste ?
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jarhead_h 8 Oct 2018
I am running Fedora 28 with Cinnamon on my desktop. I have a Core2Duo laptop with Intel integrated graphics running Mint19 XFCE. I am quite happy with both.
Arehandoro 9 Oct 2018
I have Arch on my daily driver and pretty happy overall, mainly for the latest llvm+mesa versions, but in my laptop I have Debian Testing. I have been using Debian the longest, with other distro hopping here and there, and I reckon it's my fav distro.
Ketil 10 Oct 2018
I recently switched from arch+i3 to ubuntu+i3, and more games work out of the box. The ubuntu-desktop package is only installed because it pulls in a lot of nice things automatically, like wireless drivers and such.

Ubuntu really isn't too bad distro even if you want to do something weird. You can still have the root partition on btrfs on bcache backed by both ssd and harddrive if you know what you are doing. I doubt the installer support it though, so debootstrap is the way to do it. My laptop also use ubuntu and it has root partition on lvm on cryptsetup. The installer has or had some support for that, but it doesn't always work, so again, debootstrap can save the day.

I don't feel ubuntu restricts me any more than arch linux did, but I still use the arch wiki occasionally. I think ubuntu PPAs are much nicer than arch linux's AUR, and I wasn't able to use arch without using AUR.
Mnoleg 10 Oct 2018
Quoting: Ketil...I don't feel ubuntu restricts me any more than arch linux did, but I still use the arch wiki occasionally...
You can't use both Ubuntu and the Arch Wiki, that's cheating ;)
RossBC 10 Oct 2018
Hmm, found with openSUSE that it has less stock built applications then arch. DUnno what the creators of Antergos have done, but it feels bloated it loads slower then both vanilla arch and Manjaro.
Would reccomend manjaro over Antergos anyday. Debian still feels like it is in the stone age, again you will be scratching for distro created packages. Ubuntu is still pretty meh.

This is all from a AMD gpu users view point though for video drivers ive had the best compatability with minimal messing around with arch. From an app point of view, for the rolling distros I found arch to have the most in house built packages. You will find opensuse has a lot of community built repos just it has a ninfty web interface for it's version of AUR pretty much.

Ubuntu would probably be your goto if you don't use any odd ball apps and run a nvidia card. Well I would probably still reccomend arch. But I'm used to arch, most people don't like it becuase it's "complicated".

But as you have said yourve been using arch for 4+ years I would say stick with it, it is a solid platform and the AUR is probably one of the safest run user created repositories because you can look at how and what is being built in the PKGBUILD files.
Stupendous Man 15 Oct 2018
As has been mentioned, you could take a look at Gentoo. It might be difficult to set up but you learn a lot, and when you have everything set up and configured to your tastes, it requires rather minimal maintenance. Just update the system every few weeks which on a modern machine takes a few hours at the most (compile time). I've been using Gentoo for 15 years now and am very happy with it, my current 'installation' is probably 10 years old by now.
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