You have to point to the installer first and activate the compatibility tools in the settings. Once it is installed you have to point it to the .exe files that was installed. It's explained in French in [in this YouTube video](https://youtu.be/5Cf77XKWHxc), but it should be comprensive just by watching what he's doing.
Hope that it helps.

If it's a stand alone game, not needing the actual store bits, it might be easier to simply extract the game from the installer, or run the installer with Wine and the then point Proton to the install dir.

It does, thank you.

I'll try shortly but I'm not sure if it will work for me because... not strictly related, but I ran into a different issue. I just switched to Manjaro, I was previously on Pop_OS where most games I installed via Proton worked fine (latest and experimental) such as Rocket League, but now those games like Rocket League refuse to run. Steam says "launching" and then terminates the process. Also, when I emable Steam Big Picture mode, it freezes the entire OS and I have to CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE to save it.

I'm really confused as to what's going on. It's the latest Manjaro XFCE and since it's brand new I've done virtually no changes to it.

If you have non steam windows games you could try to run them through lutris with proton if steam doesn't work with steam. If neither of them work, maybe check your graphic driver and if the vulkan "depency" are installed like vulkan icd loader.

Yeah, I don't even know what GPU drivers I got nor how to check. I launched the Manjaro Live USB with the proprietary drivers but I have no idea if that's what it ultimately installed. Google is strangely unhelpful with this issue

You could try installing "inxi", then run inxi -GMS which will give you a really nice, short system summary. You can paste it in here, as a code block. Should tell us everything we need to steer you in the right direction.

Here's mine.
scaine@groovy:~$ inxi -GMS
System:    Host: groovy Kernel: 5.13.12-xanmod1 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: GNOME 3.38.4 Distro: Pop!_OS 21.04 
Machine:   Type: Desktop Mobo: ASUSTeK model: TUF GAMING X570-PLUS v: Rev X.0x serial: <superuser required> 
           UEFI: American Megatrends v: 1407 date: 04/01/2020 
Graphics:  Device-1: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Navi 10 [Radeon RX 5600 OEM/5600 XT / 5700/5700 XT] driver: amdgpu 
           v: kernel 
           Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.11 driver: loaded: amdgpu,ati unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,radeon,vesa 
           resolution: 3840x2160 
           OpenGL: renderer: AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT (NAVI10 DRM 3.41.0 5.13.12-xanmod1 LLVM 12.0.1) 
           v: 4.6 Mesa 21.2.1 - kisak-mesa PPA

You can see my kernel (5.13.12-xanmod1), my display server (x11), and the version of the driver (Mesa 21.2.1). Since you mentioned proprietary graphics, I'm assuming you're running Nvidia, so it'll look a bit different.

Edit to add: although, if you're not sure how to run command line stuff or what driver you're on, I'm curious why you would move from Pop_OS with its custom Gnome environment, sane defaults and Pop Shop, and instead install Manjaro with XFCE. You're making a big hill for yourself in my opinion. I've been using Ubuntu derivatives since 2005 and I found Manjaro to be mostly baffling and ran into a variety of issues I just couldn't fix. Not to say don't use it - it's popular, so it must work for some folk... but it's hardly a starter distro.

Last edited by scaine on 29 Aug 2021 at 11:06 pm UTC

Inxi was pre-installed, actually

System:
  Host: Alam0-Manjaro Kernel: 5.13.12-1-MANJARO x86_64 bits: 64 
  Desktop: Xfce 4.16.0 Distro: Manjaro Linux 
Machine:
  Type: Desktop Mobo: Micro-Star model: B450 TOMAHAWK MAX (MS-7C02) v: 1.0 
  serial: <superuser required> UEFI: American Megatrends v: 3.40 
  date: 10/25/2019 
Graphics:
  Device-1: NVIDIA TU104 [GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER] driver: nouveau v: kernel 
  Device-2: Oculus VR Rift CV1 Sensor type: USB driver: uvcvideo 
  Device-3: Oculus VR Rift CV1 Sensor type: USB driver: uvcvideo 
  Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.13 driver: loaded: modesetting resolution: 
  1: 1050x1680~60Hz 2: 1920x1080 3: 1280x1024 
  OpenGL: renderer: NV164 v: 4.3 Mesa 21.2.1 

Okay yeah, so it's using the nouveau drivers instead of the proprietary ones... in all previous distros I used this was easy to figure out but with Manjaro I wasn't able to find an application that would give me any such info, let alone allow me to install the proprietary drivers via a GUI.

Edit to add: although, if you're not sure how to run command line stuff or what driver you're on, I'm curious why you would move from Pop_OS with its custom Gnome environment, sane defaults and Pop Shop, and instead install Manjaro with XFCE. You're making a big hill for yourself in my opinion. I've been using Ubuntu derivatives since 2005 and I found Manjaro to be mostly baffling and ran into a variety of issues I just couldn't fix. Not to say don't use it - it's popular, so it must work for some folk... but it's hardly a starter distro.

I'm not new to Linux, I've technically been using it since 2013 when Valve did the Tux cosmetic promotion for installing Team Fortress 2 on Linux, and I downloaded Ubuntu like they recommended at the time. I've used various distros such as Mint, Puppy Linux, Debian and Pop!_OS since then.

I've used Linux extremely sparsely however; since I most use my computer for playing games, Windows has seemed like the best option as of yet. Although I use Linux from time to time to play old Windows games which are extremely difficult to get running on Windows 10. Oftentimes, they just ran on Wine with no tinkering required, this is what Linux excelled at for me, but I haven't engaged much with the OS apart from games. Until two years ago I was actually triple booting Windows 10, 7 and Linux depending on which game works best with what, but I came to the conclusion that this was a bit too much of a waste of disk space and got rid of 7.

The reason I switched to a new distro this time was because I wanted an OS more suitable for my preferences, including an easy way to disable the compositor to get rid of forced Vsync. Also, Pop!_OS was acting up after the big update it had, it took about five minutes to boot and I couldn't find a solution to that problem. So if I was going to have to reinstall, I figured I might as well try something new

Anyways, every distro I've used until now came with some GUI application to display system info including GPU drivers but I was unable to find something like this in Manjaro.

I know how to use command line interfaces, the problem is knowing which commands exist and what they do. This stuff is extremely difficult to figure out via Google for some reason. It's not like I haven't used the CMD or Powershell in Windows a ton, but anything you'd want to do in Windows is very easy to find via search engines as opposed to Linux, presumably because of its comparatively tiny market share.

Alright, I figured out how to get the proprietary drivers, and this seems to have fixed every issue. Steam doesn't crash anymore and Proton games run as expected. Thanks everyone.

EDIT: Should probably say how. There is a GUI application you can find in your start menu called "Manjaro Settings". In "Hardware Configuration", right click "video-nvidia" and select "Install". When that's done, reboot your computer and it should now be using the proprietary drivers.

So there's actually a very simple, user-friendly way, it was just hidden in a location I didn't expect nor think of. No terminal necessary :-)

Well, sort of user-friendly. I'd never have figured out what to do with an entry "video-nvidia" should I have found it on my own, it could certainly be far more descriptive than it is.

Last edited by Altefier on 30 Aug 2021 at 8:35 pm UTC

Yeah, I ran into a power of problems with Manjaro, but I'm glad it's working for you. Hopefully this is a longer stint on Linux for you and maybe one day you'll make the jump full time. You never know.

Quoting: AltefierI know how to use command line interfaces, the problem is knowing which commands exist and what they do. This stuff is extremely difficult to figure out via Google for some reason. It's not like I haven't used the CMD or Powershell in Windows a ton, but anything you'd want to do in Windows is very easy to find via search engines as opposed to Linux, presumably because of its comparatively tiny market share

Quite the opposite for me, I've found. So much disinformation and so many various versions of Windows, any time I need to research something, it's just so painful. But between the Arch wiki and AskUbuntu, I've almost always found the answer, if one exists. I guess you get used to what you know though. It's been a while since I did anything truly technical on Windows - my only interface with it now is as a work machine and I don't have administrator on it, so the things that annoy, I can't do anything about anyway. I can change the default browser at least, although I have to do so after every update for some reason. Same old windows. So glad I'm outta that rat race.

Good luck with Manjaro!

So unfortunately, GOG Galaxy refuses to run with Proton, at least when starting it through Steam. The installation worked, but it doesn't want to launch. Or it does, but quickly terminates. I think Wine probably works fine with older games from GOG, but I'm having issues finding out if there's a way to install GOG games while keeping native launcher functionalities such as cloud saves. I tried Mini Galaxy but it doesn't look like cloud saves are working, I might be mistaken though.

Quoting: scaineQuite the opposite for me, I've found. So much disinformation and so many various versions of Windows, any time I need to research something, it's just so painful. But between the Arch wiki and AskUbuntu, I've almost always found the answer, if one exists. I guess you get used to what you know though.

No I mean really, I'm pretty sure that's not how this goes... I'm not sure if you purely mean researching advanced things, but I'm talking primarily about simple things that a casual user would want to do. Or me, since like a casual user I would start with simple things like setting up my workspace.

Just for example, I just searched "how to change monitor layout Windows 10" and literally the first search result, shown in the Google page itself, is a detailed step-by-step method with images. Like "1. Open Settings. 2. Click on System. 3. Click on Display. 4..." etc.

When I do the same search for Manjaro "how to change monitor layout manjaro" the first search results are people with random issues like "New monitor always appears to the right", "Problem with dual monitor setup layout", "News manjaro", "Install Display Managers"...
Somewhere down the line there's a link to an Arch Wiki for xrandr. You may not even realize this is relevant to you if you are not familiar with terms like "Arch" or "Xrandr", after all you're a casual user who just needs to set up their monitor layout. Then this wiki may show or explain how to do it somewhere on that page, but it's not friendly to newcomers either. Instead of step-by-step explanations they just assume you know everything else about Linux already.
Where it describes how to change the monitor layout, it just says "you can use xrandr to do so" and then plumps down the commands. New users won't know how to open terminals. People can make more sense of GUI to guide them rather than cryptic text, and if you need to use the CMD or Powershell most Windows articles have much better guides as well. Maybe someone is able to find an Xrandr GUI in their distro in the start menu after reading that but it's not in Manjaro.

And that's basically what I mean, the main reason it is so hard to find what you need for Linux is 1. The smaller userbase leading to less, and less relevant search results, and 2. how seemingly everyone and everything presupposes new users already know everything about Linux and instead of telling you step by step how to get to a terminal, what this terminal does and the exact mouse clicks for the thing you need to achieve, they just say "Do this thing with sudo".

Learning Windows was much easier because you learn by doing via repeating exact steps you can find on the internet for any common thing you may want to do, and once you know how to do these steps you can branch out and try things on your own after you slowly understand what you're doing. But Linux requires a huge time investment immediately from the get-go and dumps all things to know on you at once. Where to understand what people are even saying you have to google every single term like terminal, sudo, xrandr etc. that people just throw around without explaining them for the simplest of things, and every time you find an article or wiki page these terms are explained with even more cryptic terms that you don't understand. It's kind of a nightmare maze experience. That's just no good way for people to learn on their own. There's a reason I've dabbled with Linux as a casual user since 2013 and I'm still confused about most things that should be simple to do (although to be fair, yes, I'm only using it to play old games)

As far as advanced stuff goes, it usually didn't work in Linux for me either. Many guides for installing software you find use outdated commands which are deprecated, or it just doesn't work because you are missing dependencies which for whatever reason are not included with said software or at least checked whether they're missing; half the time I'd end up with a borked installation of something.

Quoting: AltefierNo I mean really, I'm pretty sure that's not how this goes...

I'm pretty sure of my own experiences... and they're very different from what you're describing, tbh.

Quoting: AltefierWhen I do the same search for Manjaro "how to change monitor layout manjaro"

I suspect that's part of the problem - the word "manjaro". You're limiting your search results when you start searching by distro. Sure, new users won't understand this, but when I replaced "manjaro" with "gnome", my top hits were several AskUbuntu articles describing how to do so in some detail. Albeit, since around 2017 (or earlier, depending on distro), this is as simple as going to Settings/Display and dragging stuff around, of course, so "some detail" wasn't really a lot of detail!

Quoting: AltefierLearning Windows was much easier because...

I just don't agree here at all. Sure, there's a learning curve, but I suspect you're just forgetting the learning curve you experienced on Windows too. This is all just a familiarity issue. Sure, there are plenty of bad guides for Linux-related stuff out there. But in my experience, there a shocking number of wholly uninformed and useless guides for Windows too. Maybe I just get to recognise which is which because I'm familiar with both? With 40 or so years computing experience? And 25+ years in a technical role for a big multinational? I've seen a lot, on both sides on this fence. Definitely don't want to belittle your own experiences, but they certainly do NOT match my own. Learning Linux in 2005 was challenging. Learning Linux today is better, but still a learning curve. But when I look at my sons who have never had to deal with Windows in their entire lives (they're 15 and 17), I suspect they'd have a hard time with what you think is easy.

You know, maybe 7-8 years has made a big difference in the quality of guides out there for Windows. There's definitely been a little bit of consistency since Windows 7 came around 2010 (let's just forget vista and Win8 for now), and I stopped using Windows only about 2 years later, when most guides were still aimed at a weird mix of Windows 2000, 2008, Me, XP... you name it. Pure chaos.

So glad I'm out of that gig.

I could give a ton of examples if I remembered them all. But for instance, just now I was looking for turning on word wrapping in the default text editor (Mousepad) and turns out, you just can't do it. You need to edit a config file. Which you need to create first, too. Oh, and I'm not allowed to create folders to create that file apparently, so as of now I'm still in the process of figuring out why this is something that is forbidden despite me being an administrator account.

As you can see, I'm about to embark on another journey through a nightmare maze - all I wanted was to have word wrapping in my notes and I'm already at "why can't I create new folders in this one hidden folder for a config file that doesn't yet exist". Again an instance of Linux applications being more complicated for basic things than in Windows or MacOS for whatever reason.

In addition, I was reading a thread on that which is where I remembered this example quirk of Linux users NEVER giving you the full path to your files when giving you advice. You rarely if ever see that with Windows, people give you the full path but not so much here. In the past this was part of what made it so difficult for me to learn just the file system itself. Even though it is, at its core, about as straightforward as that of Windows, it's just laid out in a confusing way with that Home folder and basic folders (like that of Steam) being hidden for some reason.

This is what the user in that thread tells you where to find the config file:

"~/.config/Mousepad/mousepadrc"

Try figuring out where that is as a newbie. Especially when no one tells you that folders starting with a "." are hidden from you, meaning you have to type that into the address bar on top of that, and that "~" is not a "vague path/your mileage may vary" sign, but is supposed to represent your "Home" folder for some reason. Instead of just typing out home? What a mess! I genuinely don't get why Linux users tend to be so cryptic when helping others.

Trust me I haven't forgotten. I learned Windows on my own by using search engines for help and the same approach is much more difficult for Linux. I don't think this can be contested objectively.

This may be hard to comprehend as a veteran, but think back to what a newbie sees in their OS on their first day. Windows shows and tells its users clear as day that their images are located in a path named "C:\Users\[YourUsername]\Pictures". So when they seek help online and other users help by giving paths to files in the "C:\etc." structure, it's very easy to understand and follow that advice because it's relating to something they already learned naturally from the OS. Contrast that with Linux where you are first thrown into your "Home" folder with no indication that this is a special folder and not the starting (root) folder, and people come at you with "~" and "." for their paths. It's ultimately much more confusing and it's hard to google for things when you're confused about the basic terms and symbols people use.

Quoting: scaine

Quoting: AltefierWhen I do the same search for Manjaro "how to change monitor layout manjaro"

I suspect that's part of the problem - the word "manjaro". You're limiting your search results when you start searching by distro. Sure, new users won't understand this, but when I replaced "manjaro" with "gnome", my top hits were several AskUbuntu articles describing how to do so in some detail. Albeit, since around 2017 (or earlier, depending on distro), this is as simple as going to Settings/Display and dragging stuff around, of course, so "some detail" wasn't really a lot of detail!

I know it's off-topic, but I wanted to reply to this.
From a new user point of view, it only seems logical to search for your specific distro ; with Windows for example, most people would search with the Windows version they are using, after all (no point in returning the replies for how to configure dual monitor on Windows 98...)

Also, and I am talking about Manjaro as an example, Arch users tend to not like when you go on Arch forums and ask for something on Manjaro. "Go on Manjaro forums", they say.

And then, still following your example, if one was simpling looking for Gnome / whatever application, without specifying your distro, you might come up with a solution like

 
sudo apt-get intall package_name

which, for some (obvious for the people who know) reasons, won't work "as explained in the guide"... :wink:

Quoting: furaxhornyx

Quoting: scaine

Quoting: AltefierWhen I do the same search for Manjaro "how to change monitor layout manjaro"

I suspect that's part of the problem - the word "manjaro". You're limiting your search results when you start searching by distro. Sure, new users won't understand this, but when I replaced "manjaro" with "gnome", my top hits were several AskUbuntu articles describing how to do so in some detail. Albeit, since around 2017 (or earlier, depending on distro), this is as simple as going to Settings/Display and dragging stuff around, of course, so "some detail" wasn't really a lot of detail!

I know it's off-topic, but I wanted to reply to this.
From a new user point of view, it only seems logical to search for your specific distro ; with Windows for example, most people would search with the Windows version they are using, after all (no point in returning the replies for how to configure dual monitor on Windows 98...)

Also, and I am talking about Manjaro as an example, Arch users tend to not like when you go on Arch forums and ask for something on Manjaro. "Go on Manjaro forums", they say.

And then, still following your example, if one was simpling looking for Gnome / whatever application, without specifying your distro, you might come up with a solution like

 
sudo apt-get intall package_name

which, for some (obvious for the people who know) reasons, won't work "as explained in the guide"... :wink:

Yep, I agree with all of that, tbh. But, if you know the guts a little, your searches will be far better. And even that apt reference would get you thinking along the right lines in terms of Arch.

I think I'm just lucky that I stuck to Ubuntu and its derivatives over the years - between the Ubuntu Forums, Launchpad and then AskUbuntu, the quality of support and the consistency of responses is generally extremely high.

Your own technical experience is still key of course. It's like knowing when to add "registry" to a windows search result, because you know what the registry is, and you're pretty certain that's where the answer lies. Over time, you build up that knowledge and the overall experience is better.

Quoting: AltefierTrust me I haven't forgotten. I learned Windows on my own by using search engines for help and the same approach is much more difficult for Linux. I don't think this can be contested objectively.

I don't agree with any your response, I'm afraid, but this (emphasis mine) is the crux of it. You can't contest this objectively? No, quite the opposite. You can't assert that objectively.

It's all subjective. Your experience is perfectly valid. But I'm telling you, over and over in fact, that my experience was pretty much the opposite. Maybe it's because I didn't use obscure text editors (wth is mousepad??) or maybe it's because I started with Ubuntu on default - no XFCE at all. But bottom line, our experiences don't line up at all.

Like what's a C: drive? Why not A: or B:?? Wait, I plugged in a USB, now I have a E: drive? What happened to D:? Oh, that's my CDROM maybe? It's so arbitrary and confusing. Windows was (and in my opinion remains) utterly baffling to this day. Don't get me started on file permissions and system roles. The way it handles DNS. The crummy UAC model. Services. The registry.

The learning curve on Windows is insane. Only years of context and training got me vaguely comfortable with it. There's absolutely no reason to expect that to be transferable to Linux. In fact, the biggest hindrances I faced with Linux was when I tried to do things the way I expected they'd work on Windows. Once I ditched that mindset, I really started to enjoy my time with it.

Quoting: scaine

Quoting: furaxhornyx

Quoting: scaine

Quoting: AltefierWhen I do the same search for Manjaro "how to change monitor layout manjaro"

I suspect that's part of the problem - the word "manjaro". You're limiting your search results when you start searching by distro. Sure, new users won't understand this, but when I replaced "manjaro" with "gnome", my top hits were several AskUbuntu articles describing how to do so in some detail. Albeit, since around 2017 (or earlier, depending on distro), this is as simple as going to Settings/Display and dragging stuff around, of course, so "some detail" wasn't really a lot of detail!

I know it's off-topic, but I wanted to reply to this.
From a new user point of view, it only seems logical to search for your specific distro ; with Windows for example, most people would search with the Windows version they are using, after all (no point in returning the replies for how to configure dual monitor on Windows 98...)

Also, and I am talking about Manjaro as an example, Arch users tend to not like when you go on Arch forums and ask for something on Manjaro. "Go on Manjaro forums", they say.

And then, still following your example, if one was simpling looking for Gnome / whatever application, without specifying your distro, you might come up with a solution like

 
sudo apt-get intall package_name

which, for some (obvious for the people who know) reasons, won't work "as explained in the guide"... :wink:

Yep, I agree with all of that, tbh. But, if you know the guts a little, your searches will be far better. And even that apt reference would get you thinking along the right lines in terms of Arch.

I think I'm just lucky that I stuck to Ubuntu and its derivatives over the years - between the Ubuntu Forums, Launchpad and then AskUbuntu, the quality of support and the consistency of responses is generally extremely high.

Your own technical experience is still key of course.

(emphasis mine) Yep, that exactly my point.
You shouldn't have to know that you should not mention your distro when searching how to do something (and also, be ready to adapt a potential solution to your distro); that's counterproductive. Same with searching for the name of a config file, if you don't know it's the one you are looking for (and sometimes there are more than one).

Quoting: scaineIt's like knowing when to add "registry" to a windows search result, because you know what the registry is, and you're pretty certain that's where the answer lies. Over time, you build up that knowledge and the overall experience is better.

To be honest, editing Windows registry is probably somewhere between Linux's obscure config files, and custom kernel: if you think you need to go there, you probably know what you are doing. Not required to set up a dual monitor config, or to configure multiple audio interface (my personal experience, and it's still far from working perfectly) :wink:

Quoting: furaxhornyxYou shouldn't have to know that you should not mention your distro when searching how to do something

This seems less of an issue of Windows versus Linux and more of an issue with search techniques.

Including your distro in the search terms narrows the search. If you don't get any good matches you widen the search. Instead of "manjaro" you include "gnome", to widen further "linux". If you want to cast a really wide net you exclude any mention of the OS at all. This have actually saved me a couple of times when I didn't realize I had a hardware issue, and it wasn't Linux specific at all.

It's no different from researching any other issue. Car trouble? You might search "B201 NA FI misfire". No matches? "Saab 900 1984 misfire" etc. And of course you might also start with a wide search "Engine misfire causes" and narrow the field if you get too many or nonspecific matches-

Obviously knowing what to search for is part of the problem solving process. I'm going through that whole song and dance with my newly acquired and totally unfamiliar Windows install (strictly for working on Wine of course!) and it is tiresome!

Quoting: whizseQuoting: furaxhornyx
You shouldn't have to know that you should not mention your distro when searching how to do something
This seems less of an issue of Windows versus Linux and more of an issue with search techniques.

And basics. To be frank, there's not a lot out there for absolute beginners to Linux. Ubuntu/Mint is probably the best in the regard. As much as I like other distros, I couldn't recommend them; most assume a certain level of knowledge that you can't expect a new user to always have.

As for Mousepad, off the top of my head, there should be a menu option for word wrap. I used XFCE for 10 years. Never had to touch a conf file for that.
Might be under "view"? I'm a little fuzzy, I moved to KDE around the time of the GTK3 switches

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