lol, the Unix wars turned into the distro wars and soon to be the package management wars. Thankfully we don't see a lot of that on here.

Quoting: Highballlol, the Unix wars turned into the distro wars and soon to be the package management wars. Thankfully we don't see a lot of that on here.

I've seen similar here on the Discord server before when talking about using FreeBSD too. Typical "Why would you use that?" nonsense. Open source is open source. It's too late in the day for there being beef or bickering over what people use. That shit was old and annoying on IRC (Freenode) back in the day, but nowadays it's just sad and depressing. 🙄

Nuh-uh! My distro is the best one. Actually, this one. No, that one. Augh.

Quoting: Highballlol, the Unix wars turned into the distro wars and soon to be the package management wars. Thankfully we don't see a lot of that on here.

& those were commercial products; so you could see why it would be in someone's very concrete and obvious commercial interests as to why they'd promote that version against any other.

With distro wars, text editor wars, programming language wars etc., there's no such readily discernible rationale. It's an ill-informed BS shouting contest and nothing more.

... and it gets really silly when supposedly well-informed people *rationalize* their gut feelings into supposedly knock-out explanations as to why the other side is stupid, confused, ignorant, etc. The way the 'other side' is depicted in such rationalizations always reminds me of those comically clumsy black-white 'before' segments in 'infomercials'.

Quoting: Liam DaweThis might be the funniest meme I've ever made, not sure I can top this one

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Where can one read this curious pamphlet? I got an impression it's not JUST the cover :happy:

Could make an entire series on this. Have a book for distros, another for init systems, another for package managers, another for desktop environment, etc. The only thing that we may all be able to agree on is that we love to argue.

That's not true at all! :grin:

Quoting: Highballlol, the Unix wars turned into the distro wars and soon to be the package management wars. Thankfully we don't see a lot of that on here.

Portage is clearly the winner in package managers. You can choose to either install from a binary, or compile yourself, it has possibly one of the best dependency resolvers, allows you to add your own patches to programs, allows you to install multiple versions of the same application in different slots, etc etc. It's possibly one of the best package managers I've ever used. I fell in love with it immediately.

There is no better choice.

Quoting: dziadulewiczWhere can one read this curious pamphlet? I got an impression it's not JUST the cover :happy:

If you join... the other Linux Discord... you'll get all the abuse you never wanted. Pro tip: don't go there, it's a silly place.
Join the GOL Discord instead for good vibes. :grin:

Quoting: dpanter

Quoting: dziadulewiczWhere can one read this curious pamphlet? I got an impression it's not JUST the cover :happy:

If you join... the other Linux Discord... you'll get all the abuse you never wanted. Pro tip: don't go there, it's a silly place.
Join the GOL Discord instead for good vibes. :grin:

Discord!? Would love a GOL Matrix though.

Quoting: dziadulewiczWould love a GOL Matrix though.

We tried that. The amount of hateful little shithead people was endless and it just wasn't worth anyones time or effort. Matrix is dead and the (ab)users murdered it.

Discord is at least manageable to some degree, despite its flaws. We foster a healthy slice of the GOL community there, give it a chance. There's also IRC, and a couple other places if you prefer. Links in the bar at the bottom of the site or click on Contact Us at the top.

Yeah, sadly, Matrix has a problem with moderation and spam that they don't have any built-in tools to deal with. And, bridging it to Discord was a nightmare since Discord mods can't remove the spam and hate.

Matrix is just a poorly thought-out platform for end-users. Discord actually works and works quite well, despite some obvious issues, it's just simple and easy to use.

So zero plans to go back to Matrix.

If anything, we should want IRC to actually evolve properly with the times, but I fear it never will.

Quoting: dpanter

Quoting: dziadulewiczWould love a GOL Matrix though.

We tried that. The amount of hateful little shithead people was endless and it just wasn't worth anyones time or effort. Matrix is dead and the (ab)users murdered it.

Quoting: Liam DaweYeah, sadly, Matrix has a problem with moderation and spam that they don't have any built-in tools to deal with. And, bridging it to Discord was a nightmare since Discord mods can't remove the spam and hate.

If anything, we should want IRC to actually evolve properly with the times, but I fear it never will.

Well damn, I had no idea it was that bad before. Fuck those people and any bigotry, seriously. I would've watched my joking and trying to be funny with GIFs more on the Discord had I known that. I know this won't get me unbanned from there, but I wanted to say this to you guys anyways. Cause I'm well aware that I play too much sometimes. lol

Also, isn't part of the point of IRC that it's old school? I know that the protocol has been updated over the years, but that also depends on what the specific server is actually running. My only real complaint from being an IRC OP before was that the banning either was too loose or too strong if you used *s. Where it'd then also ban other users too.

IRC has had growth in tech and fandom servers, but declined everywhere else unfortunately. Hopefully it doesn't go the way of USENET or BBS.

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