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hopefully steam will force user-accessible games versioning on all games, because I don't want to download depots via steam console each time fallout 4 or skyrim updates.

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Quoting: Liam Dawe

Quoting: bolokanar

Quoting: Liam Dawe

Quoting: bolokanarA little too late.

What makes you say that? What about it makes it too late?

It's been years...

And? Doesn’t really answer the question. It’s here now. Why is it too late? Too late for what?

To care. To matter.

They finally got off their but. Well, I'm not buying it...

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Hi, if Valve wanted to make playing older versions of games simpler, there is one simple change they could make to allow the users to disable auto / forced updates. Then the user can use the Steam console or depot downloader to downgrade the game

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Quoting: rea987Using Snap so any time I launch a program, it hang for 5 seconds as if it is on a 5200 rpm spinning HDD. No thanks.

Sounds like your PC has a problem. Or are you referring to the long-fixed Firefox start up delay?

Snap might not still be the absolute fastest at startup, because it unpacks some libraries on first launch, but it's quick enough that you'd likely not notice unless you already knew.

As for getting "annoyed" about snaps, it's like using Debian and being annoyed that Fedora uses RPMs. If you're not on Ubuntu, it doesn't affect you. Move on.

Jesus. People love to hate Canonical for weird-ass "reasons".

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Quoting: tfkI've ordered the FLX1s bundle. Let's see if this phone will set me free of Google's claws.

Can we see too, when you do?
Documenting your experience in a forum post or something can really help others.

Well, the forum is back online, so I think I can do that. While it is in transit, I can think about how to do this while keeping things private. One thing I can already tell you is that you have to calculate in the import costs. I expect those to be around 160 extra.

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Quoting: bolokanar

Quoting: Liam Dawe

Quoting: bolokanarA little too late.

What makes you say that? What about it makes it too late?

It's been years...

And? Doesn’t really answer the question. It’s here now. Why is it too late? Too late for what?

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Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: LinuxerSteam snap works greatt including all the goodies inside fo gamer by default too but the flatpak of Steam is still a mess cos of access restrictions etc and cant be recommended just sayin

My distro packages Steam, so it's kind of a non-issue. IMO Flatpak is for things the distro isn't already packaging and for commercial things the distro can't package. And Snap is, um, for if you're using Ubuntu I guess.

Snap is for if you really, really want vendor support and/or if you're using Ubuntu.

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Quoting: Liam Dawe

Quoting: bolokanarA little too late.

What makes you say that? What about it makes it too late?

It's been years...

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Quoting: AsciiWolf

Quoting: RedjeAnd I don’t really get the hype for flatpak.

and actually makes desktop Linux usable even for regular, non-technical users.

Flatpak has uses, some of the stuff you said is true, but this is ridiculous. I am a regular, non-technical user. I use Mint, it's the most user-friendly distro around. It is possible to install Flatpaks in Mint, and I have installed a couple, but not enough to make a noticeable difference to how usable my desktop is. Flatpaks are some icing on one or two slices of the cake for "regular, non-technical users".

Being non-technical does not mean I can't recognize a statement that completely contradicts the reality of my experience when I see one.

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Quoting: _wojtek

Quoting: dpanterSnap? Uh, no. No thanks.

Cannonical is just annoying… What's more - it's not like they created something exceptionally new, they just want to ride the hype wave on something that mostly other created…

I strongly disagree with that statement, but whatever... 😅

From the enduser perspective, I'm very satisfied with snaps and with the 3rd party content it brings.

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Quoting: Eike

Quoting: Tethys84Except nobody will be able to afford the Steam Machine. I would be surprised if Valve didn't indefinitely delay or even eventually cancel it because of the skyrocketing prices on RAM alone.

It depends. If they made a fixed price contract early enough, they might be able to offer their boxes cheap.

Yeah. After all, this is not a cost of production problem, it is a "what the traffic will bear" supply and demand problem. So if some manufacturer has a contract to deliver hardware for $X, they will still make money doing that, just not as much money as they think they can bilk us for.

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Quoting: LinuxerSteam snap works greatt including all the goodies inside fo gamer by default too but the flatpak of Steam is still a mess cos of access restrictions etc and cant be recommended just sayin

My distro packages Steam, so it's kind of a non-issue. IMO Flatpak is for things the distro isn't already packaging and for commercial things the distro can't package. And Snap is, um, for if you're using Ubuntu I guess.

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Quoting: fabertawe

Quoting: dannielloAnd in the near future - Steam Pocket. The first true Linux phone with decent performance! (of course advertised as only for gaming, so Google should be OK with it... In the same sense like Steam Machine is just Linux PC so Sony and Microsoft also should be OK with it;)

That's already available, it's called the FuriPhone <https://furilabs.com/>.

The . . . Furry Phone?

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Quoting: tfkI've ordered the FLX1s bundle. Let's see if this phone will set me free of Google's claws.

Can we see too, when you do?
Documenting your experience in a forum post or something can really help others.

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I've ordered the FLX1s bundle. Let's see if this phone will set me free of Google's claws.

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I think this is great news.
Canonical might unnecessarily cling to snap, but at least they're doing research in a known and reported problem.
Steam's compatibility with containerized package formats and repo policies.

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I wonder what will be left once the AI bubble bursts. I sincerely hope this "we need to put AI into *everything*" trend is one of the things that goes away...

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I like Schnapps better than snaps.

Prost!

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Quoting: dziadulewiczPackaging for Linux is important to be easy and efficient. Flatpak and Snap are both great for creating a universal package distribution.

For Flatpak I agree, that's one of its use cases.
Snap takes the federalization of standard package managers away, meaning that it's only compatible with a single centrally managed repo, this makes it way too sensitive to squables, rifts and manpower problems.

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Quoting: fabertawe

Quoting: Jarmer^ Interesting! Unfortunately I'm on Verizon in the US and it's unsupported. I could do tmobile and it'd work though. I wager that's not specifically this phone though, I bet all the linux options are this way. Verizon is horrible for stuff like this. But they're the best network. Oh well.

Some US carriers do seem to be the most problematic. This could also be down to a whitelist, where if your phone make is not on the list, then you're barred. Personally I'd boycott any such carriers and vote with my wallet.

That's exactly right. Verizon is the worst with this stuff too. BUT they have by far the best tower coverage, and my wife travels for work ... soooooo ... she would be frustrated if I switched us to tmobile. In a few years when she travels less, I'll most likely do it then though.

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Steam snap works greatt including all the goodies inside fo gamer by default too but the flatpak of Steam is still a mess cos of access restrictions etc and cant be recommended just sayin

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Using Snap so any time I launch a program, it hang for 5 seconds as if it is on a 5200 rpm spinning HDD. No thanks.

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Quoting: Stellamy problem with Canonical is that they actively harm the Flatpak ecosystem. Kubuntu used to ship the flatpak backend, but Canonical got really angry at that and it got ripped out in favor of snaps. Requiring users to do an extra steps to install flatpaks is not user friendly at all

They didn't get angry LOL. Oh please. Ubuntu is concentrating on one packaging officially, their own, that they can audit and control. It's only wise. It's also a wish for their corporate customers.

Flatpak can be installed on Ubuntu in a whiff and they are not angry about that 😂

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Quoting: Stellamy problem with Canonical is that they actively harm the Flatpak ecosystem. Kubuntu used to ship the flatpak backend, but Canonical got really angry at that and it got ripped out in favor of snaps. Requiring users to do an extra steps to install flatpaks is not user friendly at all

Kubuntu has never shipped with the flatpak backend already installed. It's trivial to install it if you want it, but it's never been installed by default.

You're thinking of Xubuntu, who also never shipped with flatpak enabled. When they floated plans to have a third install method by default - deb and snap already being necessary for the default distro packages - Canonical said no since that's gratuitously confusing for new users. Just like with Kubuntu and Ubuntu it's trivial to install flatpak support on Xubuntu for those that want it.

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my problem with Canonical is that they actively harm the Flatpak ecosystem. Kubuntu used to ship the flatpak backend, but Canonical got really angry at that and it got ripped out in favor of snaps. Requiring users to do an extra steps to install flatpaks is not user friendly at all

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Quoting: _wojtek

Quoting: dpanterSnap? Uh, no. No thanks.

Cannonical is just annoying… What's more - it's not like they created something exceptionally new, they just want to ride the hype wave on something that mostly other created…

That's a weird argument. Building on the work of others is like the whole stick of open-source.

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Quoting: scratchiregardless of how they package it, if they can win a few more users over from Windows and increase overall Linux marketshare

Exactly. Sometimes it feels like some of these ppl think more about themselves, their choices being keen to push others to what THEY prefer and not the good of Linux overall 🤔

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Packaging for Linux is important to be easy and efficient. Flatpak and Snap are both great for creating a universal package distribution.

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Quoting: _wojtek

Quoting: dpanterSnap? Uh, no. No thanks.

Cannonical is just annoying… What's more - it's not like they created something exceptionally new, they just want to ride the hype wave on something that mostly other created…

I agree; but at the same time, Ubuntu is still Linux. So regardless of how they package it, if they can win a few more users over from Windows and increase overall Linux marketshare, I won't complain :)

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What are you ppl up there talking about? Nothing needs to die, snap and flatpak are also very different. Both have their place and more. This is important. Everything is important to get to work correctly and well on Linux and we should support Canonical on this effort!

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