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Quoting: CloversheenSeveral people including our own good man Liam tried to be professional and constructive, but were told to shut it.

I don't know that I'd characterize what was said as "shut it," I think at worst it was tone policing rather than an attempt to silence criticism. Other members of the Fedora community called out that moderator in both that post and others concerning the issue.

To give my two-cents of a couple years using Fedora, this was atypical as was the buggy Fedora 43 launch. This update cycle has been a little rocky, but as they've otherwise been rock solid in my personal experience, I'm more willing to give the benefit of the doubt unless this becomes more of a pattern.

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Quoting: Kimyrielle@Ehvis, the point being made by Sweeney (which I have to agree with him on, even when it pains me to have to take his side) is that it's utterly pointless to require labeling, if close to 100% of all games are using the tech anyway. That's like requiring a "contains nuts" label on a pack of peanuts. Sure, you can do that. It just doesn't make any sense.

The labelling is not just about the "if". It's about the "how".

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@Ehvis, the point being made by Sweeney (which I have to agree with him on, even when it pains me to have to take his side) is that it's utterly pointless to require labeling, if close to 100% of all games are using the tech anyway. That's like requiring a "contains nuts" label on a pack of peanuts. Sure, you can do that. It just doesn't make any sense.

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Quoting: KimyrielleIt's not just the indies that use AI coding tools. I guess they're actually slower with adopting these than the big studios, where the managers jumped out of their seats when somebody pointed at ChatGPT and said "productivity gains here!!!".
Thing is that these tools DO make you more productive, if you're using them right (which is why they're getting adopted by coders). Some less-than-competent managers thought they can fully replace SWE jobs though, and they just can't. Also, the productivity increase isn't 1000%, or whatever these clowns said it would be. But 10% is probably realistic. You save a lot of time by just not having to ask/look around StackExchange a lot anymore, and by letting the AI code some standard problems for you.

What I personally don't get is some people saying "Yeah...I guess AI is fine for coding, but it can't EVER be allowed to do art!!!" I am not sure I understand the difference. I am pretty sure there are several ten thousand lines of my code in all of the larger models. At least I would be insulted if they hadn't gobbled up my stuff from GitHub while they gobbled up everyone else's. And no, I didn't get asked, either. It's really the same thing as using images or songs. The irony is that as far as I can tell, as of today a lot more coders lost their job over AI than artists. People just don't defend coders with the same vigor. ;)

Just because they *can* be used right, doesn't mean that they are. So let them disclose it. Disclosure are always good for the consumer. But those people advocating to hide that must have something to hide.

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@scaine

Why is code generation trivial while "art, music and voice acting" is inherantly important? Is a pathfinding algorithim truly more trivial than a rock texture or a water splash sound? Surely if its objectionable for one it is also for the latter. My biggest beef with a lot of AI reactions is the implicit deifying of "creative" work in comparison to anything else that has been automated. Artists deserve a living, but they are not unique in that.

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It's not just the indies that use AI coding tools. I guess they're actually slower with adopting these than the big studios, where the managers jumped out of their seats when somebody pointed at ChatGPT and said "productivity gains here!!!".
Thing is that these tools DO make you more productive, if you're using them right (which is why they're getting adopted by coders). Some less-than-competent managers thought they can fully replace SWE jobs though, and they just can't. Also, the productivity increase isn't 1000%, or whatever these clowns said it would be. But 10% is probably realistic. You save a lot of time by just not having to ask/look around StackExchange a lot anymore, and by letting the AI code some standard problems for you.

What I personally don't get is some people saying "Yeah...I guess AI is fine for coding, but it can't EVER be allowed to do art!!!" I am not sure I understand the difference. I am pretty sure there are several ten thousand lines of my code in all of the larger models. At least I would be insulted if they hadn't gobbled up my stuff from GitHub while they gobbled up everyone else's. And no, I didn't get asked, either. It's really the same thing as using images or songs. The irony is that as far as I can tell, as of today a lot more coders lost their job over AI than artists. People just don't defend coders with the same vigor. ;)

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Amazon cut around 14,000 jobs.. the roles were stuff like "human resources, operations, and devices, with some media and communications roles"

Amazon cited "the need to be organized "more leanly" and seize opportunities presented by ai"

This is the answer I got from google ai overview lol, maybe I need to practise what I preach

Then there's deep fakes and it's moving quite rapidly, ai was obviously fake few years ago but it's improved alot and will continue to improve, when any video of a corruption politician or criminal could be passed off as "fake" or "fake news" as certain people like to call it

Then there's the fact of how much water and electrict needed for the ai, remember that next time your energy bills go up!

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I'm still surprised it wasn't just free to fresh supply owners

Was fresh supply that bad? Never played it back in the day but had a good time playing online co-op with a steam friend on fresh supply and it seemed to work just fine?

I think this is meant to be based on the original code, but even then between fresh supply and things like eduke and raze, I don't really see why I'd want to buy this

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Quoting: dpanter

Quoting: tohurThis one the reasons I moved on to developing my own distro. I based it on Debian sid

You might be interested in Siduction then.
https://siduction.org/

Tried it.. it tracks sid 1:1 which introduces breakage .. my Distro tracks 1:1 in my staging repos where it will get tested before moving to my stable repo.. already have it running this way. I ran siduction for while years back but as I said it tends to have package breakage often

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Quoting: scaineBut I wouldn't go back to X11 because a) no 120Hz support

Wayland definitely is the way to go, but what do you mean no 120Hz? I'm running an Xfce (X11) desktop at 120Hz right now, on AMD hardware similar to yours. Is that some weird KDE limitation on X11?

In any case, there are real (and compelling) reasons to migrate to Wayland, like HDR. No need to come up with imaginary ones.

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@Kimyrielle
Uh, that's not a great take, tbh. "It's gonna happen, so just accept it"? Nah.

Maybe you're right about the coding element. Despite evidence that using AI tools for development actually slows you down, that's only true for experienced developers. A lot of indie studios are probably using genAI tools built into their integrated development environments (IDE) and you're right, that ship has probably sailed. After all, who's going to champion all the GPL licenses they stomped on to train that model?

However, art, music and voice acting are a whole 'nother story. These AI assets are very much not only built on non-attributed, probably copyrighted work, but when they're used in a game, they're also actively putting artists, musicians and voice actors out of work.

I'm not having that. So these disclosures are extremely important (to me).

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I already play Duet Night Abyss from the recent not-gacha-anymore games, but this one is indeed very promising.

I love the new wave of games from China that finally have a fair free2play model with only cosmetics being behind gacha mechanics.

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First time ever I agree with Sweeney on anything. But he's right. It makes zero sense to disclose that you're using AI tools when a good approximation to 100% of all developers either already do, or will do soon. Right now, people are so obsessed with pouring hate on AI generated/assisted art assets that they're forgetting that pretty much all software developers are already using AI tools for coding, at least in some capacity. Guys, that stuff is going into games as we speak, but unlike art assets, you just can't see it.
It makes even less sense considering that in, say, 2-3 years from here, even experts will probably be unable to tell if an asset is AI generated or not, which will render the remaining discussion about whether or not to put labels on it, obsolete, too.

My personal take: We should start embracing what cannot be stopped anyway, and rather talk about how to compensate artists, writers and coders for using their assets for AI training. That's the real issue, at least in my opinion.

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Typical Sweeney BS. In the same ballpark as his claim that using Linux is like moving to Canada.

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This one has been tempting but my experience tells me to stay away from F2P.

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Well I wasn't sure what I thought about this, but if Sweeney thinks the labels are unnecessary and pointless, they're probably a good idea.

I'm not sure I see the point of his objection, anyway. Like, PEGI-13 games are ubiquitous, guess there's no point age-rating games.

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Quoting: CatKiller

Quoting: Purple Library GuyIt's going to be really worth while to rate a game's friendliness to SteamOS per se separately from how it plays with the Deck as hardware.

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Valve have already done that:
https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2025/05/valve-announce-steamos-compatibility-ratings-an-extension-of-steam-deck-verified-for-more-devices/

They've also said that "Steam Machine Verified" and "Steam Frame Verified" ratings will show on those respective devices.

Ah, thanks!

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Quoting: Purple Library GuyIt's going to be really worth while to rate a game's friendliness to SteamOS per se separately from how it plays with the Deck as hardware.

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Valve have already done that:
https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2025/05/valve-announce-steamos-compatibility-ratings-an-extension-of-steam-deck-verified-for-more-devices/

They've also said that "Steam Machine Verified" and "Steam Frame Verified" ratings will show on those respective devices.

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Quoting: andilooks really nice, better than Megacopter: Blades of the Goddess ?

Which reminds me: Everything I could want, Liam says. Well, what if I want Aztec Gods in my helicopter shooter, huh?

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This kind of thing makes me wonder how the rating stuff is going to work once the Steam Machine is out. Because right now, the Deck rating system doesn't differentiate between games that don't work well with the form factor or power level of the Deck on one hand, and games that don't work well with SteamOS on the other. But with the Steam Machine, there's going to be a difference--there could be games that work fine with SteamOS, and on the Steam Machine, but not so much on the Deck; like this could be one of them. At the rate things are going, there could in the end be multiple kinds of device running games on SteamOS. It's going to be really worth while to rate a game's friendliness to SteamOS per se separately from how it plays with the Deck as hardware.

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For lulz, people are suggesting CDE for those who want to be stuck with X11: https://sourceforge.net/projects/cdesktopenv/

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Quoting: ArehandoroIf a game uses AI models that have been trained on material without the content of their authors (Spoiler, all of them) I consider that game to be built illegally, and as such, I will obtain it and play it via "illegal" methods.

That is one of the dumber excuses for piracy I've come across. If a game uses generative AI, but you still want to play it, then pay your money and play it legally. Otherwise, stand on principle and don't play it at all.

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Well, i think i'll never stay away from epic then, thank you. I can´t even be bothered to even look at their freebies anymore.
People tell me AI will be everywhere, but then people tell windows is everywhere.
Maybe, but not here, and i am thankful for that. :)

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Note that this is not the old Microprose from Sid Meier fame. This is an Australian individual that bought the rights to the Microprose logo in 2018. The last original Micropose studios closed shop in 1999 and the brand/ip have travelled through Spectrum HoloByte, Hasbro Interactive, Infogrames, Atari Interactive, Cybergun Group, Tommo and then finally to David Lagettie from Australia who AFAIK only bought the name and not the IP.

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Quoting: Donbot5000who's own software in the article REQUIRES visual studio is now getting highlighted here on GamingOnLinux ? What a Croc.

The requirements are disappointing, but the nature of it being open source does allow for the possibility that someone takes the core of it and rewrites it without that requirement. Long shot, but hey ho.

As for it being reported here, I'm thankful. If not for GOL, I wouldn't hear about this stuff, and wouldn't benefit from the comments/community here.

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We’ve long covered open source, even if it is not very specifically for Linux as it should still be celebrated. Just because it requires something right now, doesn’t mean it always will. That’s the big benefit of open source, someone can now make it properly run directly on Linux if they really wanted to. There’s many angles to it, we don’t need to be so militant and static on every single thing being direct for Linux at every point in time.

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Quoting: etoven"Allot of users won't notice the difference."
No just the apox half of them now suffering a broken deskto.

He's not making stuff up, you know. They're using actual stats to back up their claims. Perhaps you declined to provide telemetry in the "User Feedback" Settings page, or maybe you haven't filed any bug reports?

You haven't said how you're affected badly by this though. Can you elaborate? Is your issue on the Significant Issues tracker?

Quoting: etovensomething starting to feel shady about KDE love affair with this broken pos compositor if you ask me.

It's been clear for several years now that Wayland is the future of the Linux graphics stack. What are you suggesting they do instead? Other than "stay on X11 and accept the development issues (for the KDE Plasma team) that entails".

I do miss having my windows remember their positions, although it's being worked on. But I wouldn't go back to X11 because a) no 120Hz support, b) no HDR and c) no brightness controls for external monitors. It's just too good now (for me, at least), despite its other issues.

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So a company that says kernel level anticheat is necessary despite not even remotely working (active rust player here 4k hours on official servers so I know how bad it is) and who's own software in the article REQUIRES visual studio is now getting highlighted here on GamingOnLinux ? What a Croc.

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Which codecs are working with Proton ?

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It's a beautiful game. The combat is very good. Have a sizeable number of options, overwhelming at times, but there is no lack of options.

Unfortunatelly have a lot of bugs with their audio dialogues: stopping out of nowhere, voice quality changing out of nowhere, voice volume changing out of nowhere. And the main unforgivable problem in 2025 for my Brazilian countrymen: not having at least subtitles/text translation for Brazilian Portuguese.

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