Quoting: Quote from Mike FrettAnd now with all the confusion with the SteamOS being a totally new flavor for devs to support, questions concerning whether those titles made for SteamOS will even arrive for regular distros have popped up.

Valve has said quite clearly that SteamOS titles will work completely on normal linux distros.

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Quoting: Quote from tigerpanzerThis deal has gone sour, looks like Valve used us. It's a custom OS like Android with no assurance of compatibility with desktop Linux. And with no exclusive titles there is zero reason to even use it. Linux users should be outraged at the hope valve fed us when it was actually poison.

Valve has already confirmed that SteamOS games will be just normal Linux games. No android-like layers.

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Quoting: Quote from KameNo, on steam you have to login to play SOME games. Many games do NOT require you to be logged in to steam. I'd say a significant portion of the Linux games on steam are like that.

Sure, there are some games on Steam which don't rely on the Steam-Framework. But that's about 1% of all the games on Steam.

Okay? Are you against games with DRM in them, or against any distribution system which allows games to have DRM? And again, a game can utilize the steam framework and still not have steam required to run. See Dungeons of Dredmor for an example.

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Quoting: Quote from Enlightenment

Quoting: Quote from KameReally? You don't have to log in? Or use a key to get access to the games? Ya know, just like you have to do with steam or desura?

On Steam I have to login for PLAYING my games. THAT IS DRM and THAT is the difference.

No, on steam you have to login to play SOME games. Many games do NOT require you to be logged in to steam. I'd say a significant portion of the Linux games on steam are like that.

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Quoting: Quote from Enlightend

Quoting: Quote from KameSteam itself is DRM. So is the Humble Store. So is Desura. So is the game requiring you to put in a key to activate it. Short of them just offering the game download for free and telling people not to download unless they've paid for it, there is going to be DRM on a commerical game. 

You have a very strange sight of DRM. As Humble Store has NO DRM. Desura is also no DRM. For the activation key it depends on the activation process

Really? You don't have to log in? Or use a key to get access to the games? Ya know, just like you have to do with steam or desura?

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Quoting: Quote from Dawe*Before the inevitable simpleton says "but it's not using DRM", please realize Steam itself is DRM. Digital Restriction Management. It doesn't matter if they use something on top of that, that in itself is more than enough. If you don't install Steam and become a valve in their machine, you don't get access. Therefore it violates the promise of DRM-free. For convenience. Of some. To the exclusion of others. Pah...

Steam itself is DRM. So is the Humble Store. So is Desura. So is the game requiring you to put in a key to activate it. Short of them just offering the game download for free and telling people not to download unless they've paid for it, there is going to be DRM on a commerical game. 

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Quoting: Quote from IvancilloLast year I played this game in Linux via scumvm.

So easy to make it run on Linux that makes me wonder why GoG.com didn't support old DOS games with scumvm and dosbox.

And eating Steam's DRM is out of the question.

There's no DRM on this game, inside or outside of steam.

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Quoting: AnonymousI am sure I remember Steam saying that all Linux games had to be native. No wine wrappers allowed.  That is why Braid isn't on Steam for Linux.

Er, what? Braid wasn't a wine port. Braid was very much native. Maybe you're thinking of Limbo?

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While I'm ~90% sure it will be in either the next HiB or the one after that, I'm still totally buying it. I dunno why I love platformers so much (puzzle or otherwise).

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Quoting: Hamish

Quoting: KameNot exactly, you can both use steamworks and still not have DRM. See: Dungeons of Dredmor.

There are versions of Dredmor that do not use Steamworks, yes. That does not mean you can use Steamworks and not have that version of the game tied to Steam.

If you run that version without steam you won't get things like achievements (obviously), but the same version WILL run without steam though.

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