In regards to Shadow of Mordor:

[[–]ellie_feral 3 points 5 hours ago

We have said stuff: mainly thank you for being so patient, because it really is appreciated. We can't really go into deets, though. Stay tuned, and all that. Stay tuned.

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Quoting: GuestReally don't feel like rebuking things I didn't say, you clearly didn't understand.
It was off topic anyway, it's okay.

You did say them, don't accuse others of lying or comprehension issues.
Let me remind you:

Quoting: GuestOtherwise, "profit" is immoral as it means you're ripping someone off.

Quoting: GuestAnd they ask for money for doing that work...which means in that transaction, they could rip you off theoretically.

Quoting: GuestIdeally after the development is paid for, the artists would make the game free or at the very least take donations to the point at which they could be taken care of throughout the development of their next project, but no more than that.

You are telling everyone that Aspyr should give away a game that is not their IP for free, which would cost Aspyr their goodwill with game companies, and guess what that results in? No more Linux game ports for them.

Do you not understand how development like this works? They HAVE to make a profit on these games because not every port is going to make a profit quickly or at all. I take offense at your assertion that they are ripping people off for asking for money for their time. Are you willing to work for free too?

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: Hamish

Quoting: GuestHow is the fact they do porting work irrelevant? You can rip someone off in any exchange of wealth.

Because, as I explained, they do not own any of the game data themselves. They just have the legal right to port and resell it. I seriously doubt they could make such a unilateral decision.

And they ask for money for doing that work...which means in that transaction, they could rip you off theoretically. So, my point is completely relevant, as I said any wealth trade/transaction can be an unfair one, but, you're not getting it for some reason. That's okie though, no hard feelings. :D

So let me get this straight, are you asking them to give someone else's property away and essentially work for free after a certain threshold? Don't you think that they are justified to ask to be paid for their work? What if their porting work doesn't make a profit for a particular game? Would you have them go out of business?

Secondly, don't you think that the game software developers and their publishers might have a teeny, tiny problem with Aspyr giving their work away?

If you feel that they are ripping you off, then don't buy it. No one is forcing you to do so. In my opinion, I hope they make a large sum of money. To continue porting more games to Linux, because Windows IS a rip off.

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Seriously, some Linux "features" make it stupidly difficult to work with. It seems to be on purpose, much like the Gnome developers who "know" better than everyone else.

NO normal user needs case sensitivity in their filesystem, and in most situations, it is a hindrance for adoption and porting on Linux due to the additional headaches introduced by it. For example, anyone who runs programs from WINE could see how annoying this can be.

It should be optional, like in HFS filesystems.

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Quoting: killxdenWith gog you have the additional install step but you still need an account to download it and a browser!
If you have downloaded it with steam, you can just go into the folder and start it without steam running. Want it on another pc? Just copy paste it. The game is yours, no client needed, that was my point. And you didn't get apparently, because for you steam is evil DRM stuff. But it is just a download client with additional functionality. And even if steam would go down for good, well they said they try to provide the games without the client. And even if that wouldn't work i still have a copy from my humble acc or a DVD. So I don't care about that :>

PS.: I really dislike Uplay and Origin and I don't use them.

How DID you get steam on your computer??? You would have to have this horrid thing called "a browser," installed by 99% of operating systems and/or installed a game from a disc you had to go to the store to get.

Secondly, try starting most games on steam without first starting it and tell me if the game doesn't start steam first or fail to run if steam is not allowed to open.

As to your claim that they would provide games without the client should they go down, if they were to go down, there would not be a prior notice. One day you will open up your steam client and you cannot connect. There is no obligation for them to give you your games should they go out of business and should they even provide the download services, how many people will try and download their games? You will not get access due to server crashes.

As to your last point, you still can't access your games since steam is down.

You don't have this problem with GOG, because the game is yours.

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Quoting: killxden

Quoting: Cloudwalker

Quoting: AnonymousFollowing that logic, if I have to go to a store and buy a game on a disc, then the act of going to the store is DRM. If Steam is DRM, or a website is DRM, then there are no truly DRM-free games, are there?

Do I have to run to the store everytime I want to install the game? No! If I want to install the game I need the steam client and have to be online. THAT IS DRM!

Where is the difference to gog.com then? You need to be online, you cant download any game without a browser and an account on their site. If their website is down you will be also fucked.
If you want a backup then just go into you steam folder, make a tarball or whatever and move it to your NAS/external HDD... done. Same stuff. That obviously only counts for the drm free games on steam ....

Go to the store, get the cd/dvd, bring it home and install it as many times as you like. Go to GOG.co, get the executable, install it as many times as you like. No difference. If the store closes down, you have the same problem as if GOG goes down, same thing if Steam goes down.

Except that with Steam, if they don't offer a game anymore, you lose access to your game. Someone cracks your password and gets you banned or steals your account? Lost access to your games, including the ones you have on your computer. You get banned, you now have hundreds of dollars in games now gone up in smoke. With GOG and physicals, you have control of the install once you buy the game and download it. You own the game. With Steam, you may as well be just renting it.

With Steam, you are forced to download their client, create an account and remain logged in, download the game, leave the client open and run the game. If you want to install it on other computers, you are forced to download their client again and have it running under your account in order to play. That is an added burden that you do not have with GOG/Physical installs (unless the physicals demand Steam/Origin/Uplay).

GOG distributes the self extracting installer that is independent of any client that you are not obligated to log in every time to install. You likewise don't have to go to the store you bought your game from every time you want to install it.

If a game is DRM free, don't buy it from Steam. I don't like monopolies and so many of the bigger developers are forcing their player base to use them (Steam) exclusively. It is like having to fill up your car's gas at only Chevron Gas stations because your car's manufacturer only wants you to use their service. Kind of like paying the mob off to do business.

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Loved the first one and love the second one. Hopefully I don't need to boot into windows soon to play it.

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Quoting: liamdawe

Quoting: HeimdallArx and Doomsday shouldn't be on there as they benefited from the source release of their games. The rest were built from the ground up.

I agree, but annoyingly I was told I was being "pedantic" by another site owner who is also an award supporter.

Well there is a big difference being given a basically finished project with Arx source and building a new engine from scratch a la CaesarIA and OpenMW. If that is pedantic, then so be it. I think they are belittling the achievement that the OpenMW people have achieved thus far.

Not to say that the Arx Liberal is project isn't cool. I love Arx and am glad they printed it to Linux. They just didn't have to do much work themselves, that was Arkane.

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Arx and Doomsday shouldn't be on there as they benefited from the source release of their games. The rest were built from the ground up.

I would pick CaesarIA and OpenMW, if I could pick two!

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Very excited for this!

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