Quoting: EikeI think it's hard to see what might be difficult about something as soon as you are used to it. I'm seeing the same effect with many computer things myself, where I wonder how things can be done wrong...

Yeah, you're right of course. But let me tell you that when I did my last tryout of various video editors for Linux - albeit it's some years ago - I did encounter a lot of real shitty user interfaces on even the most limited editors. So it may not be all your fault :)

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Quoting: Ari El UnoEver tried DaVinci Resolve? I think it is the best tool on that regard and is available on Linux.
https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/color [External Link]

I seem to recall the name and imagine I've tried it, but many many years ago. Back then I concluded that KDEnlive was the only bearable editor :D But that means I should definitely do a revisit. I'll check it out, thanks!

Quoting: CFWhitmanthe one other open source editor that I've found to be worth trying is Olive [External Link], even though its developers still consider it alpha software. It seems like it plays back better and crashes less than anything based on MLT (like Kdenlive, which seems to be the best of MLT based editors).

This is a new name for me! Thanks for that, I'll definitely check it out. At least the homepage indicates that their ambitions are right :)

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Quoting: Mountain Manfor the "quick and dirty" stuff I've done at home, it has every feature I expect to find in a non-linear video editor

Yes, for simple tasks and small projects it's sufficient. But it's the ability to tackle the bigger projects and more complex tasks that separates the professional software from the rest - surely we must agree on that?

Quoting: Mountain ManI was able to pretty quickly find my way around Kdenlive's interface.

Absolutely. It offers a layout that pretty much is the established norm. A definite plus! Also, it's more stable than the other editors I've tried on Linux - and that is a massive plus. The other editors crash on the most absurd operations - like moving a clip.

Quoting: Mountain Manmany are fairly easy to work around -- such as no adjustment layer that can be applied to a whole timeline; instead, you can create a color effect that you like, save it, and then easily apply it to other clips.

Fifty clips along the timeline, you want to nudge the contrast a little... Good luck with that. You need to have a very strong will on wanting to see this as an adequate solution to find this to be a good alternative. :)

But let me just restate that I do believe this is the closest open source alternative to professional video editing suites on Linux today. But it has a long, long way to go before it qualifies to even be mentioned with the professional editors.
I really hope we get there - but we are definitely not there today.

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Quoting: Mountain ManAs someone who has worked in the professional video production world for over two-decades, I can say with some authority that Kdenlive is a very power and professional level video editing tool that easily rivals alternatives like Avid and Premier.

Really? I'm no true professional but I've edited a lot of videos as a freelancer, once even edited a series broadcast on national television here in my country. So I have *some* background.

And I have to say, after Bitwig (daw) and Steam came to Linux the the one area left where I really miss the Windows alternatives is on video editing. Especially Sony Vegas, who ended up being my tool of choice. The workflow is just so very much better, and the tools/plugins so much more powerful and intuitive.

For example, I haven't found a way to apply effects (colour correction etc) on the entire video channel - only on the individual clips! I would guess it IS possible, but god damn how well they've hidden it. Or how to apply compression and EQ on the audio master bus? These things are *basic* features!

And especially larger projects with several channels of video and sound are so much more efficient and stable on the other editing suites, they run so much smoother. The stuttering and lags are way too prominent on KDEnlive - it really struggle at times. A wonder it doesn't crash more often, really!

But yes, KDEnlive is the solution for me too on Linux, cause the alternatives are so remarkably much worse. So here's hoping they get closer up to par with this new version!

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Quoting: Eike... I'm looking for the opposite though:
A simple tool, non-crashing please, for dummies.

There's plenty of those, though. In fact practically all the other video editors available for Linux. So you won't be in lack of options there :)

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Quoting: scaineThe only thing I'd add to the "works out of the box" piece is that when I was googling for answers, there were a LOT of people who had similar issues to me. Finding the answers was only a trial because a lot of the information was quite dated, or about Vive, for example.

Exactly - hence why I thought this was a thing of the past now. A couple of years ago, Vive era, that's when I know there was a *lot* of issues.

Quoting: scaineSo basically, the people who had great first time experiences, I suspect, were running largely un-modified Ubuntu, single-screen, on DP. Which was about as far from my position as you can get! :grin:

That's essentially me. I went from two regular to one ultra-wide screen last year, and I am running vanilla mainline Ubuntu without modifications. But my monitor is connected via DVI, not DisplayPort or HDMI.

And finally, some titles I recommend looking into:

Pistol Whip -> It's an incredibly cool experience and a really good workout!
Budget Cuts -> A really well implemented stealth game, imo. Sneak past guard robots, all in a cheeky, corny game world. Still exciting though!

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Quoting: orochi_kyoI don't want to be that guy, but this "it worked for me straight out of the box" comments IMO are mostly are desperate screams looking to promote a technology

So you're saying... I'm lying?

Quoting: orochi_kyothought on just a small base of gamers, not only because the price but because just a few think it could be cool to change the casual way most gamers play, in a couch or a desk when you can stop from playing without detaching anything from your body when you want to go somewhere else.

What has this to do with anything? But yes VR gaming is a niche, nobody claimed otherwise, but VR is a larger niche, counted in users, than Linux gamers. Just to put that into perspective.
Without it being of any relevance to this particular discussion at all.

Quoting: orochi_kyoI can hardly tell something working out of the box when it comes to Linux gaming, even with Proton on Steam, you need to config first the Steamplay, enable Windows games to show on your library

You need to do that once - yes. You also need to install the Steam client, before that. Once.
After that you will have a lot of games who will run without modifications. "Out of the box".

Quoting: orochi_kyoall these VR guys are trying to downplaying the author of the article

Absolutely not. I am just sorry to read that he encountered a lot of issues, and quite frankly I personally were surprised by the amount. I thought that was the state of Linux VR like two years ago on the Vive - not on the Index today.
My own experience was that I was up and running much sooner than what I was prepared for. I entered the SteamVR lobby right away. Believe it, or not.

And by the way, Linux is an officially supported platform for Valve Index and SteamVR. Just check the Store page [External Link].

Quoting: orochi_kyothe fact VR guys are so vocal in this forum and other forums just show how desperate both groups are to get attention

"Desperate"... Or maybe just enthusiastic? For me VR has been a revelation, a long time dream ever since I envied the holodeck on Star Trek. We are a segment gamers who really love what we experience and want to share that enthusiasm - just like anyone else being enthusiastic about something they love.

Quoting: orochi_kyothey want to shove their way to play games down our throats.

What on earth are you on?!

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Quoting: PatolaAlso, actually you don't have to use SteamVR beta. Standard SteamVR stable branch was working on Ubuntu when I got my kit in April 30.

Last I checked the non-beta were actually a better experience. So I've stayed on the main branch since then.

And by the way, Scaine, the missing 32lib messages only appeared for me when I tried to click on the other info board (not the board you start games from), on the "more info" buttons. That didn't work back then, and I've not tried since.
But that's the only context where I've had that warning window pop up.

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Interesting, and quite sad to read actually. It worked out of the box for me too, but I'm also on Ubuntu (19.10 when setting up Index, 20.04 now) with Nividia GPU.

In fact I was astonished over how well it worked out of the box. I was up and running from within the first hour.
I recall some issues with stuttering that disappeared with a driver upgrade, and I also remember that I had to start the setup/playfield config manually, as I somehow managed to skip the setup procedure.

But other than that... Very smooth sailing for me too. I use the main SteamVR branch, not beta.

But I guess this goes as a warning for other stacks than the Steam supported desktop environment!

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One can only feel love.

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