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Quoting: ShabbyXWhy not just ... manufacture more cards?!

Or maybe, why not producing cards just for mining at a reduced price?

Because it changes nothing. Imagine you are a miner, and Nvidia produces 100 of those cards, in addition to 100 gaming cards, which are 70% less profitable for miners. Would you

A) Buy the 100 mining cards and take profits from them
or B) Buy 100 mining cards AND 100 gaming cards and and have 130% the profit of A)?

There is no ceiling on mining demand. Only when mining on gaming cards becomes unprofitable will that demand disappear. But as already mentioned, NVidia does this only to prevent competing with used cards in the future, not to have more cards available for gamers.

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Quoting: scaineconfirmed abuser

Yes, please provide a source! This would make me reconsider my view on the entire story! (Unless if there is no proof for this claim, which would mean your post is defamatory fake news and Lunduke is right.)

Quoting: TheSHEEEPIt definitely speaks against the FSF that they were unaware about the uproar this would cause in modern times.
But their handling of the situation - from not letting a member getting cancelled to seeking to improve their structure to prevent further similar incidents, it's all just very level-headed - definitely made me a supporter.

This. Agree 100%

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Quoting: Ehvis

Quoting: ZlopezI just hope there will be any available with the crypto miners going crazy.

If only AMD could do something to the drivers to make it uninteresting for miners.

(sorry, couldn't resist :tongue: )

It will be even better if they introduced cards without graphical output that will be specialized for mining and costing less than gaming GPUs.

NVIDIA already started doing this [External Link], but the mining cards aren't out yet and have worse performance than GTX 3080 [External Link]. So we will see if they would at least be cheap, so the miners would go for the mining cards instead of gamer cards.

That is why I linked that video in the comment above Yours.
1) The market prices are a result of limited supply. Using their lithography volume for mining chips reduces supply for gaming cards, and thus increases prices, just like miners buying gaming cards. Even if the mining chips are salvaged, it means there will be no salvaged lower cost gaming cards like gtx 3050, again reducing the supply to the gamers.

2) When the mining boom ebbs, there will be no cheap second hand mining cards on the market for gamers. The mining cards will be electronic waste (the people complaining about power draw by mining should look at that!), and NV will not be in price competition like in Turing times. WE otoh will not be able to get cheap lightly used cards next year. Thanks!

TL;DR: It would be nice if something was done about the current market situation, but the only interest that is served by NVidias way is NVidias, not ours.

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LTT here explains pretty straightforward why the hashbreak in the driver is undesirable anyway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfIibTBaoMM [External Link]

But even so, what gets calles midrange these days is very expensive for me :cry:

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Quoting: M@GOidYou talk like someone with money in your pocket. Good for you.

To hell with the poor and their problems. Let them go back to piracy, were they belong.

That is a pretty polemic attempt at a strawman. Try making an argument instead!

Quoting: MalSo I guess it cannot be helped. It would be a nightmare if not for the USA working hidden in the background to prevent anyone to have to much success. So, as far as I'm concerned, given the last century of peace I don't dislike the disfunctional status quo to much. As long there is no Frenxit or Germanexit, we should all be safe. :wink:

I don't see how the USA not working in the background to the detriment of all involved EU-countries would cause a nightmare. Peace and stability come from the aligned economic interests as well as a certain level of education, in my opinion, but not from the dysfunctionality in the representation of interests. Increasing economic entanglement makes conflict inherently lossy for all.

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Quoting: TheSHEEEPIt would lead to Valve and publishers earning less money per purchase in lower income regions - while also leading to a lot more purchases in these regions. I'm not even sure it would lead to a net loss. I could very well imagine lots of people from lower income regions purchasing a lot more after such a change.

I would assume it leads to a net win for the publishers. That is, after all, the reason they introduced regional pricing in the first place.
And there is nothing bad about regional pricing per se - region locks are banned in an attempt to even the balance of power between big corporations on the one hand that have the power and means to profit from the open market while blocking consumers from doing the same vs said consumers on the other hand.

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Quoting: M@GOidThe way I see it, this whole thing will led to increase in prices on poorer countries in the EU. Simple as that. Some commenters, however, talk about companies should obey laws without seeing the big picture. And I bet those are not the ones that will pay more for their games.

One is not seeing the big picture if one thinks companies should obey the law? I believe You are not seeing the big picture if You complain about price increases in poor countries from a unified European market while failing to consider the wealth increase this market and the measures taken towards it have brought to the country. There is more to this EU deal than just billions of free subsidies paid by northern europeans.

Also, aybe the ones complaining are not the ones that will pay more, but that means they are the ones that are already paying more. This mentality of entitlement is baffling. If income levels in a country are not high enough to pay enough for a game to fund its development, these people have zero right to demand their prices being subsidized by other people in higher GDP countries.

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To everybody discussing the sense of regional pricing: That is still legal and all in the EU. The only thing they are no longer allowed to do is preventing people from buying their games in other EU countries by refusing key activation (aka geoblocking).

Interestingly, from the latest law that obliges online business to let people from the EU access the offers from any EU country and forbids denying a sale based on location in the EU, digital goods "audiovisual services" (I believe this includes games and movies) are exempt. Definitely movie-industry lobbying in action there.
See here [External Link]

Edit: More precise about exemption, added source.

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Quoting: 3zekiel3/ With AMD, the number of time I have to go and use some copr to get latest kernel/mesa for my wife is actually much higher, and I rarely see you guys bragging about that.

This interests me. On my fedora systems with AMD cards, I have never needed any copr/third party packages. What was missing?

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