The fact that it only needed a Windoze ignorant noob (unknown to the wider public, and no matter that he is sympathetic and his action was funny from the Linux perspective) with the classic Windoze mentality of ignoring ALL prior Warnings to force a complex, battle-proven -in so many facilities, institutions, science centers, servers, etc. around the world- package manager to alter its functionality, driven by an impulsive Pop! OS young dev of proposing a horrible, horrible, "cheap bandage" like this https://salsa.debian.org/apt-team/apt/-/merge_requests/196 [External Link] (an extra file that would exist or not) in the first place, is in my opinion not much of an honor for Debian, one could even say "embarassing". This event can be "historically registered" now, and I'm not sure that his actions will help Linux grow anyway (picture emphasized how easily you can break Linux instead of where stupid actions can lead).

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Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: sudoeryeah but it's another thing breaking the system entirely by just installing Steam, and another one having no sound -due to possibly bleeding edge hardware- also who knows if his colleague has the same top-notch hardware and peripherals, I very much doubt it. As I said he should have taken a hint from Valve, and today news is that Valve recommends for now Manjaro KDE

Yes, for developers who are trying to emulate a Steam Deck so they can make their games work on it, because it will get them a system whose guts have a resemblance to SteamOS 3.0.
That doesn't make it recommended or uniquely recommendable for other Linux gaming use cases.

Gaming engines and technology are moving forward everyday and constantly evolving, which means libraries, APIs, GPU drivers, kernels are moving forward everyday as well to support the new software and hardware, so please go tell a Linus guy that he can't play his game because his old-ass distro you 've suggested for him does not support his new hardware, his new peripherals, the game's libraries are newer than those that he has in his system, his GPU drivers do not support the new shiny effects or are performing worse and that he has to wait some years for it or compile a new version by himself or probably destroy his OS in 10 minutes by mixing new and old libraries like in MX Linux, and nice things like that to scare him away. Valve is unquestionably the one and only leading force for Linux penetration amongst the new generation of gamers, and has wisely chosen Arch for all those reasons, transparency and simplicity (faster package-manager because it doesn't have to solve 1mil. dependencies and do 10mil checks, meaning an update wouldn't last 1 hour like in Mint for just unpacking a package), and is already advising Arch-based Manjaro to the devs, not Fedora or OpenSUSE TW, or Debian Sid... ,so you can expect new Linux users -because of Steam and the Steam Deck- going with the Arch-line and very probably staying with it, which means Manjaro will be their starting distro, then maybe they can start exploring EndeavourOS, going Garuda, SteamOS 3.0, or even later vanilla Arch. So it is actually the de facto recommendation and you can either accept it with the upcoming reality forged by Valve, or live in your own :)

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Quoting: Narvarthin fact he also had problems with Manjaro (no sound), his colleague had no problem with Linux Mint. Anyway, i'm not sure that this "challenge" has any real signification.

Quoting: Purple Library GuyWell, maybe, but everything also went fine for his challenge buddy with Mint, which has neither newest kernels nor newest drivers. There are a lot of distros and I don't think it's valid to claim he "should" have chosen Manjaro.

Quoting: x_wingI just remembered that he end up without sound in his Manjaro install. So no, not even Manjaro is error free (mainly with the weird setup he has in his home).

yeah but it's another thing breaking the system entirely by just installing Steam, and another one having no sound -due to possibly bleeding edge hardware- also who knows if his colleague has the same top-notch hardware and peripherals, I very much doubt it. As I said he should have taken a hint from Valve, and today news is that Valve recommends for now Manjaro KDE, because by Valve's words:

We’re going to be installing Manjaro, which is an Arch Linux distribution, similar to what’s on Steam Deck. This version comes with KDE Plasma, which is the same desktop environment that will ship on Steam Deck – all in all it’s very close to the Deck OS environment, and a great way to test for system support.

Almost there, just have to install Steam. One bonus of Manjaro is that Steam is pre-installed.

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Meanwhile everything seemed to work fine for him with Manjaro, which he should have chosen from the get-go, because of newest kernels, newest drivers, for newest hardware, taking a hint from Valve having chosen Arch for the same reason. Someone should tell him that GNU/Linux is NOT M$ Windoze [External Link], but a different beast (the car vs. motorcycle analogy) so he should change his approach and mindset, embracing the new (awesome) toy and reading its manual.

Also this is a perfect example of overrated and mindlessly promoted by casual youtubers (because of the same wrong mindset of "everything I used to do with Windoze, I expect to do with GNU/Linux") "user-friendly" vs. user-centric, there used to be a saying with FreeBSD/UNIX that I don't remember quite right but it did go somewhat along the line of "if a system is complex, don't hide it from the user". There's no other shortcut than a) reading fully the downstream distro's wiki b) reading fully the upstream d's wiki to master the OS, in his case, a) read the Manjaro wiki, b) read the Arch wiki, understand, appreciate, constantly improve your skills, be rewarded from the learning (and enlightening) experience.

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Yeah right M$nake loves GNU/Linux and Tux is surfing awwww how lovely ... If you love Linux then port & open-source DirectX, Office, Visual Studio as a whole and not just a part of it, don't control github and don't Embrace, Extend, Extinguish again see latest incident https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-repents-of-its-open-source-net-blunder/ [External Link] Of course EEE is 2nd nature of M$ so they can't do that. Yeah who are we kidding right?

Just avoid M$nake like the plague (it is).

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At last, this is a good move pushing developers more actively into caring about having a native version/port in the first place, while the "competitor is hoping for Proton". :happy:

Also, it's somehow the revenge of the superior 16:10 resolution the damn TV/movies industry so cold-bloody killed. 8-)

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Yeah I would be interested if they would ever fix their horrible stuttering issues.

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The quote below is enough for one to say "No thanks" :D
Not that it would be the only reason, there are already many to list, starting with the... distro's name...

Migrating the single most critical pieces of software on an Ubuntu install to a package format regularly criticised as slow and buggy is a brave move.

So hey: kudos for that.

https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/09/ubuntu-makes-firefox-snap-default [External Link]

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Quoting: Liam Dawe

Quoting: sudoerInteresting though I've heard Epic Online Services is THE spyware.

It's really not much different to Steamworks which the vast majority of Steam games hook into.

Except that it spies Steam games, as many devs like that idea -or playing Timmy's game-.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2594056744 [External Link]

https://store.steampowered.com/curator/34410309-Epic-Games-Sucks/list/61760/ [External Link]

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Interesting though I've heard Epic Online Services is THE spyware.

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