Quoting: DirgeI know a lot of people use the distro as a NAS OS due to their ZFS implementation. I'm interested in seeing what they implement in order to break out and into more broad environments.

Same. I prefer having the same distro on my machines, and so far I'm liking CachyOS. I'd want to see what the server edition offers and see it tested before using it on my repurposed old laptop.

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Well, the CachyOS was very good in responding to the various threads on Reddit and their forum when users (me included) has some issues with the updated ISO's installer.

At the very least, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and trust them as a team because they were on it when there were issues.

Hope CachyOS can work on my long term because I really enjoyed the distro so far.

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So, he tends to push changes before they are fully ready so he can play with them. Examples are day one Fedora releases regardless of whether it works properly (although we got good at that), yanking X11 in early 2024 as Chris Titus (first big youtuber) was reviewing Bazzite, breaking a lot of his software and causing him to ragequit the review, introducing Bazaar too early while it had memory issues and crashed on low end hardware, switching to iwd the day Phoronix announced there are rumors Intel stopped maintainance and breaking enterprise WiFi and WiFi on a lot of Intel devices, using Ptyxis as the default terminal (decent software, but Konsole is fine), bundling the Steam client plus problematic codecs so Bazzite cannot ship on hardware, and putting an assortment of unnecessary packages that we then have to maintain (8 Gnome extensions, etc). There are more, but you get the idea.

Between this and seeing that my thread [External Link] are among the top read [External Link], it feels... Relieving to realize I wasn't going insane with my concerns. Regardless of what actually happened, I'm glad to realize that my concerns, which I finally voiced when Bazaar was added before it was fully ready (in my opinion), is actually something that wasn't totally insane.

I'm willing to wait on more on this before passing any judgement, but I just feel a huge relief to realize that my concerns weren't totally insane and that at least one of the core devs privately has similar concerns.

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Quoting: MinoscerebI like the look of Heroic, it's a lot better designed visually than Lutris and feels more user friendly, but since Lutris can run all the stores Heroic can, and at least for GoG has access to lots of useful scripts for things like mods or just actual playability, I don't see a use case for Heroic for myself. I'm curious where other people fall on this though. Have I missed something about Heroic?

I generally default to Heroic. Even outside of EGS and GOG where I like how much more seamless it feels as well as liking the UX more than Lutris, I also like how much simpler it is to add my games that I... Got from elsewhere.

It is also easier to backup the settings files, which is mainly useful for syncing and manually correcting my play time. I usually report such things in my reviews so Heroic is quite useful for that.

Also, I like their Wine/Proton manager. Having the option for just "proton-ge-latest" that can be installed and upgraded in compatibilitytools.d is nice.

Honestly though? I like their UX. I'd rather use them with Lutris only as backup and either Faugus or Bottles for quick run via file manager (still trying to decide which one I want of the two).

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Quoting: BumadarAlthough this is very cool, I am a bit worried about their own kernel, more in the sense of anti cheat kernel drivers appearing in their kernel. But maybe I am to negative.

Well, Bazzite's dev at least has stated that he believe that anti-cheat should be done server-side (paraphrasing).

For trustability on BOTH side (no potential malware for users, no need to trust that the client hasn't been tampered anyways) it does make much more sense to do it that way.

I'm a bit surprised that Nvidia or Denuvo hasn't made moves towards that. I feel like they could more easily get the data, hardware, and capital to create a moat of server-side anti-cheat of sort. They could have easily just invoked "AI" and get it moving.

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Fine. I bought it while I still could. 60k IDR (less than 4 USD) is a good deal to get both new and old version (which I want for collection-ist reasons).

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I personally liked the model with Bazzite and bootable containers. Having Github build me a reliable image (and not send out failed updates) with my own extras on top Bazzite's default had been an enjoyable experience that was nice to maintain and manage.

It's just that I can't be bothered to make an entire new image file to build Bazzite from scratch, and maintain it, after the Ally image was discontinued, while the Deck image was too big for my free Github Actions, and also while there has been changes that I don't agree with.

I enjoyed being able to focus to managing my own house, while benefitting from yet without having to care about dealing with the rest of city-state. That's the ideal that bootable containers as a model represented to me.

I still recommend Bazzite to other people, but CachyOS seems like my home now. I tried making NixOS work, but there's just... Too much to get working, beyond the standard package installs and stuff. So a return to Arch-based with Nix Home-Manager (which thankfully has much better gpu integration now) for anything that don't need to be on the host system it is.

...

Also, everyone having an opinion on pineapple on pizza, and I never had it in my life. Can't be helped that they're only available on more expensive pizza joint here in Indonesia, and if I'm buying something at those expensive places it's going to be something that the whole group enjoys...

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Quoting: The_Real_BittermanMy experience seems to differ a lot. But first of I am a Tumbleweed user since forever. Hardware support on rolling release is usually not a big deal. It's all those pesky point-releases drawing the "Linux does not support new hardware"-image. While I say, a point release has nothing to do on a Desktop system.

As of CachyOS being so much faster I can not confirm. Everything I benchmark myself (with Tumbleweed vs Cachy) was roughly on par. Sometimes Cachy delivered a few more frames sometimes Tumbleweed. Most of the time neither did.

Tbh I don't know what TW does with their -default Kernel as there's also a -vanilla Linux kernel in the repos. Maybe they do some optimisations themselves which is why it doesn't get outperformed by Cachy.

As of unsupported Hardware I didn't ran into any systems not supported by Tumbleweed. Sure they do not have dedicated images for certain hardware as like Bazzite does. There's just one version (not counting Tumbleweed based distros like Kalpa or Aeon here). Also I do only own regular PCs, Laptop and a SteamDeck. Neither of which required extra tweaks or drivers (besides NVIDIA) to run properly.

Using stuff like OpenRGB made all the RGB stuff work as well.

No need for extra input drivers for the SteamDecks trackpads or extra buttons. They just worked (assuming Steam is running otherwise they where mapped to Keyboard and Mouse)

And so one. Zero issue since years. No need for a dedicated distro either. But I might as well not run the problematic systems, maybe, which is why I didn't ran into issues.

I am not sure if I understood the first thing you said right. What can't be controlled by flatpak Lutris? Inhibit screensaver? Sure this works. That's what portals and DBUS is made for.

Game launched by Flatpak Lutris can't be controlled by Steam. Added a game from Lutris as non-Steam games, it does launch correctly, but Steam then just thinks it's no longer running/playing. Or at least that was my experience last I used it - might have been fixed now, but I still just default to native Lutris where possible. I just don't want to deal with Flatpak limitations where I can avoid it.

I never used OpenSUSE, beyond maybe a single day of trying it or something. I recall installing virt-manager on its package manager, but I think I was missing another package I wanted. It does seem like a neat Fedora alternative, but I can't really say much beyond that.

For me, foremost, I can't really be bothered with setting up InputPlumber and all the kernel patches for ROG Ally (but god did I try). I just want the best defaults that lines up with what I want, so that I don't need to manage all the complicated stuff, and I can focus on managing the stuff I want on Flatpak, Nix HM, Distrobox, and the rest.

That's the value of these type of distro for me. Obviously, for people who prefers to start more vanilla, you can use something else. Especially when using older, more well-tested hardware where everything from upstream is all you need.

And I think the new status quo is a great middle-ground. People can work on UMU and OGC for what they agree they want to maintain together, and then add their own stuff that caters to specific audiences... That might not be you, me, or even anyone beyond a handful thousands or hundreds of people... But are still people they can cater to.

Personally, I don't think it make sense to fully pool everything into one project. I think that would just incite devs to fight each others on opinion and ego basis. That's what happens on Wayland Protocols that are stalled for years, basically. Just let everyone make their own project, cooperate where it make sense, and focus on their goals.

Quoting: The_Real_BittermanUhm, no. Gamescope works fine here. I mean there's literally an up-to-date Gamescope runtime which just maps into every flatpaks supporting it. But also why then not shipping just Gamescope outside of flatpak? Gamemode works the same way. Installed on the host and everything flatpak can use gamemoderun just fine.

What NVIDIA flatpak driver issue? Do I live in a parallel universe? Zero issue with flatpaks and NVIDIA drivers here. They just work. (Well despite the usual NVIDIA stuff you have regardless)

I feel like this is a "works on my system" issue. You don't live in a parallel universe, you just live in a universe where there are billions of hardware and software combinations.

So you got something working for you. That's great, I'm happy for you. I'd also be very happy if there are other projects that can cater to other people's systems, needs, and preferences. And that's the universe we live in, fortunately.

Sidenote - I really don't want to deal with gamescope on Flatpak. Sometimes they work, most of the time they just crash. Idk where it went wrong, but native gamescope with native launchers just works better for me.

And both Bazzite and CachyOS already includes gamescope anyways - they had to, as apparently it doesn't work with Steam Game Mode (gamescope-session) anyways so I might as well use what's there. I'll use stuff in Flatpak when it make sense to me (like WPS Office to disable its internet access and Masterpdf so I can also have Masterpdf 4 which has less stuff paywalled on the same system).

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Quoting: The_Real_Bitterman"Reduce duplicate efforts", "replacing Lutris with fagus launcher" ... Nobody forced them not to use Flatpaks...

This really sounds like a self inflicted issue caused by point-releases and their cravings to package everything downstream instead. Then call it a win to form an organization to fix what they caused themselves...

I mean nobody prohibited them to push their modifications to the mainline kernel even before.

While I also came to learn that all these "gaming tweaks" and "optimisations" usually don't deliver any real differences or significant improvements over something not having these "gaming optimisations".

The issue with Lutris is that, as far as I'm aware, there are still things that don't work as well with its Flatpak version vs Native version. The one thing that I recall was that Steam can't control / monitor the run status of games run by Flatpak Lutris - which could be an issue for a distro where user is expected to be on Steam's Game Mode a lot of the times.

For a distro based on Fedora Atomic that is meant to be as battery-included (ready-to-use) as possible, it does need to include a lot of things. This is their goal - and for the most part the issue has been the sheer amount of devices they support.

Which is where kernel is an issue. I used NixOS with nix-cachyos-kernel flake. Even with THAT there are still a number of things that don't work and performance was garbage (it was already garbage with the default kernel tbh). And that's with a kernel based on the distro that is most focused on performance. As soon as I actually switched to CachyOS itself, everything becomes so much faster. Even back on Bazzite, I've had days where after a while my ROG Ally slows down and I need to restart - something which hasn't been an issue with CachyOS as I left it for the past few days to sync files from my server and download my games from Steam. At the same time, Bazzite also did some work with HHD which requires working some custom kernel and config stuff - those are getting semi-abandoned, but not fully as they do want to bring things like ROG/View Button Switching even after the InputPlumber migration.

At the same time, these are versions of the kernel for specific usecase. Linux is still predominantly used for servers - Valve and everyone else do try to upstream what they can, but obviously not everything can make it upstream. Nevermind the need to just move fast and support hardware if we want people to take Linux seriously as a desktop OS and not just get easily dismissed with, "Yeah, it's cool, but it doesn't support my hardware until months later, so it's a useless OS for me."

It does matter - a lot of these does matter. I used to be someone who scoffed at all these custom stuff but after trying to do it myself, I really do appreciate how well they make these things as ready-to-use as possible even for newbies.

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I recall Bazzite being very early with Steam Deck / handheld SteamOS-alternative, so I think that was why they use HHD? But InputPlumber being what Valve uses made it not a surprise it is what the rest of the community standardized on instead of HHD.

I did saw one person complained about CachyOS not supporting HHD, that it meant that it's less flexible than Bazzite, and they're right but it is clearly a double-edged sword given the maintenance burden of not using what everyone else is using.

The rest of the Open Gaming Collective is interesting. Notably, CachyOS isn't on that list, despite Nobara which had been based on a lot of what CachyOS did (and PikaOS I think is based on Nobara) being on the group.

Oh, and Faugus is good but I had issues with portals on Game Mode but I was also using a jank NixOS + Jovian setup on my ROG Ally so idk. Still, dropping Lutris? Hm, has Lutris Flatpak version matured enough? I feel like Lutris is still a core of getting many non-Steam non-Heroic games running.

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