Quoting: Caldathras

Quoting: Lofty

Quoting: CaldathrasWhile I've gotten used to their DRM-free script-based Linux installers, I would love it if they moved the Linux offline installers to AppImage, with all of the dependencies incorporated.

eh, appimage isn't really the 'container format' that it seems to have initially been sold as. In many cases there are system dependencies and linked libraries that as per linux will get updated to a point where by the appimage cannot work at all, which then requires a full appimage refresh & update. it is also not sandboxed without firejail.

( anecdote incoming: i thought i was archiving programs originally, turns out 6 months is a long time in software, my favorite appimage was just a grey empt box with a gtk crash handler message.. and this was on linux mint not exact a rolling release.)


Now flatpak .. That is much more inline with a kind of 'bottled' instance of software, it too also needing to remain somewhat in step with the system but it has some other benefits of better system integration & is sandboxed. Plus flathub / flatpak is becoming the de-facto distro agnostic software distribution method so there is consistency of support via popularity.

imo ofc

Strange, I don't think I've ever had that issue happen to an AppImage, unless it was caused by AppImagelauncher being out of date -- then I've had all sorts of problems. In my opinion, if that happens to an AppImage, the packager is not doing their job correctly. By the way, I can testify from first-hand experience that this can happen with flatpak packages as well. Neither packaging system is perfect.

My problem with flatpak is, as I understand it, you basically end up with an installer that is dependent on the flatpak system to install. To my knowledge, you cannot back it up easily (in manner readily accessible to a basic user) and you need to be online to install it. It is not stored on your system but on a server somewhere on the Internet. If that server goes down -- or you no longer have Internet access (for whatever reason) -- you cannot install the game.

Whereas, the whole point behind GOG's offline installers is that they are self-contained and DRM-free offline installers. To me, the AppImage format fits the bill -- with the ability to include all dependencies, if done correctly. Certainly, some maintenance on GOG's part over time will be necessary. And, heck, even the Windows offline installers are sometimes missing dependencies and need updating (although GOG's Preservation Program is improving on that).

All fair points. I think neither are perfect.
Im not an expert but if you take a look at emulation you can see a that pretty much those games are now theoretically playable for all time .. but then again the caveat is that if you try boot an emulator with an out of date flatpak libraries or an appimage that is not built correctly you have the same problem.

A weird solution would be to build a Retro gaming PC that is offline and remains static in it's updates that is able to play all your favorite windows / console retro games. For newer titles a main upto date PC would of course be needed.

There is no perfect solution tbf. But i do prefer the system of flapak and it's easy configuration of permissions + integration with software centers for the latest features.

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Quoting: eggrole

Quoting: LoftyWe want Passion over Profits.

This sounds great, and I agree when it comes to art/games and even life in general, but I don't think this statement stands up to scrutiny. Do you, and/or how many people do you know, that work a job they are passionate for versus a job that pays the most?

I know there is a limit when more money does not matter, but from what I understand that is somewhere around 75-100kUSD/year. Most people (in the whole world) don't make that much. Hell, the median income (individual) in the USA is only ~40k. I don't think people are working these "low" paying jobs because they are passionate. I think they are taking whatever they can get.

As the old saying goes, money talks and bullshit walks.

I'm not saying this is good/right, it simply is the shitty nature of our for profit (and put a price tag on everything) world.

I think the point is that as Ai skeptical consumers it's what they want it's not what the company wants. Also I don't think bringing employee salaries is valid considering on of the main objections to the use of Ai is workforce reductions because of Ai.

In the end you may be right about the financial incentive to make cheap Ai slop games but we have the option to state our concerns using our wallets and use our voice to explain why.

*edit Some people don't care about the use of Ai in game and that's fine too. it's not going away.

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Quoting: CaldathrasWhile I've gotten used to their DRM-free script-based Linux installers, I would love it if they moved the Linux offline installers to AppImage, with all of the dependencies incorporated.

eh, appimage isn't really the 'container format' that it seems to have initially been sold as. In many cases there are system dependencies and linked libraries that as per linux will get updated to a point where by the appimage cannot work at all, which then requires a full appimage refresh & update. it is also not sandboxed without firejail.

( anecdote incoming: i thought i was archiving programs originally, turns out 6 months is a long time in software, my favorite appimage was just a grey empt box with a gtk crash handler message.. and this was on linux mint not exact a rolling release.)


Now flatpak .. That is much more inline with a kind of 'bottled' instance of software, it too also needing to remain somewhat in step with the system but it has some other benefits of better system integration & is sandboxed. Plus flathub / flatpak is becoming the de-facto distro agnostic software distribution method so there is consistency of support via popularity.

imo ofc

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Not that it needs saying again, but it kind of does.

We want Passion over Profits.

To know someone, somewhere actually cared about the 'product' they were shipping and not just sales figures. Ai has no soul, and it's an insult to the people spending their hard earned cash on something that they want to collectively share with the Artists who put their heart and soul into it.

If Ai has a soul then it's a stolen one.

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Quoting: benjamimgoisThanks for the post Liam ! GamingonLinux recognition makes a lot of difference.

Goverlay started as a GUI for overlay (mangohud), but the scope got broader. I'm thinking about rebrand the project. Maybe some community feedback / suggestions would be cool.

I can't believe nobody suggested GOLverlay 😝

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Snap? Uh, no. No thanks.

don't we want more choice in computing, whatever the platform ?

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Quoting: Cley_FayeWhen a friend came to me about PopOS telling me "now I can switch between the integrated GPU or the Nvidia one in one click!" I put my ubuntu laptop in his face, clicked on "nvidia-prime" in the menu, where I had that exact same feature.

tbh your attitude seemed a little condescending towards your enthusiastic friend. If they found a solution to a problem on linux no matter how inelegant it was then that's a good thing, because they are more likely to stay on linux.

That said i wonder in the past just how many excited newcomers got bummed out by the well known "smart ass know it all" linux user and went back to windows or migrated to Mac?

(or console if they were interested in linux gaming).

Thankfully a lot of that elitism has died down now.

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Quoting: fenglengshunWell I'm already moving everything to NixOS anyways. Kinda crazy that you need a specific SIG for stability and that it wasn't already a priority. Kinda tells you their mindset, especially with the constant move to new things even when it isn't even ready for half the users yet.

If you're fine with that, then Fedora is still a good distro to use, but personally I just don't vibe with it anymore. I am more of a Bazzite user, but it is similarly an Agenda first distro and I just don't vibe with their latest agendas.

Similar to how Bazzite swapped out the software center without alerting the typical users of Bazzite to the new alternative. Sure there may have been a forum thread on it, in the their official discord too but a simple pop-up would have been appreciated by the type of ' new to linux user' who uses it rather than leaving them completely in the dark on how to install new software .. i mean its not 1995 anymore we don't tend to use CD's to install programs anymore.

Folks that use Bazzite as a gaming distro on their PC are probably not locked into the developmental nerd element of linux distro's .. i.e typical non techy gamers who want a 'gamer OS' who probably are moving away from windows, for whom Bazzite is primarily aimed at.

Are some distro's are more agenda driven than others ? I suppose each project has their own management team and their idealistic view of how their distro will operate. I tend to avoid those that stick to a more 'Apple like' philosophy, they tend to dislike constructive criticism and almost never backtrack on a bad idea.

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Quoting: spacemonkeyI would like to be able to wishlist games I already own, so I can gift them when they are discounted.

Maybe an add to 'gift List' button to avoid confusion.

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Quoting: Caldathras

Quoting: Lofty

Quoting: doragasuToo late, today I switched to LibreWolf after literally DECADES of loyalty, and everything is working great, I'm not going back unless things change A LOT.

Also about that killswitch, let me guess, it will be opt-out and will reset each time a update is installed, right?

btw read those settings above. They are currently enabled in Librewolf too.

@Lofty
This contradicts with @redneckdrow's observation (and @toru9999's too) in the other thread:

Quoting: redneckdrow

Quoting: toru9999about:config
browser.ml.enable -> false
problem solved

Just checked, this is the default in Librewolf.

I'm not able to confirm this setting at the moment. Have you looked into it?

My version is the Flatpak, idk if that is any different from any other sources. Perhaps there was an update recently, i did check early yesterday.

thx

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