Quoting: Xpanderi seriously disagree from the CPU part. Fx-83xx series are still super good when it comes to performance/price ratio. Linux is pretty nicely multithreaded in general so more cores beats i3/i5 every time.. special when you compile or multitask a lot.. single core perf is dissapointing indeed.. and power consumption is more like FUD for desktop usage.. idle is about 15-20W more than intel ones and under load its just 30-50W more than intels, without overclocking.. that would make about 10-15€ bigger electricity bill per year when you run your cpu at load 8 hours a day...
AMD FX series are all unlocked CPUs, easy to OC and get even more performance out of them.. ofc power usage goes up as well but who the F cares if you have enough good cooling system.
i dont see them failing at all.. i'd take FX8320 every time over i5 4550 or 4650 and its cheaper than those.

future however doesnt indeed look good if they dont plan to refresh their FX series.. APU series are pretty weak in terms of CPU power... and GPU drivers are poor as well.

Yes Linux is multithread and more cores win, but that doesn't apply to games yet. Most games are still using 1, sometimes 2 and rarely 4. So most games run *** due to poor single core performance and they also stink at floating point calculations due to having a shared fpu unit in each module.
Then take into account that the fx-8350 runs at 3.9ghz and boosts to 4.1, while the i7 is 3.6 with boost to 3.9. An I5 would be everybit as good for gaming as my i7 due to games using 4 or less cores.

eg. Serious sam 3 on Linux. In the performance options cpu performance, my fx8350 has to be set to lowest or framerate drops below 60 alot. My i7 can have it on ultra. same distro, same gpu

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Quoting: migizi@Skully Yes Intel has great chips, but that wasn't always the case. If AMD didn't come in and kick their but in the P4 era they would have never innovated to where they are now. You also have do your research and buy what feel is best for you. Don't just buy based on price. AMD is still working to become profitable and the PC market doesn't help that. Intel has the money and power to buy their way into computers. They can pay companies money to use their chips so their user base goes up. It's all politics.

I'm not entirely sure what kind of games people are playing lately that you need an i7 extreme to get good game play. I'm still using my Phenom II x4 low powered CPU from 5 years ago. Out performs the i5 I have in my laptop that's only a couple years old.

As far as the FX line goes, they haven't put a lot of love in that because they are focused on the APU line. HSA is where they want to be and I believe that is the right direction. Leveraging the GPU for more stuff will make their chips outperform Intel. It's just going to require time for wide spread support.

Once AMD can star to generate a consistent profit they can work to hire on more people to improve their drivers and product line. You want them to get better, then you have to support them.

I agree it wasn't always the case, hence why I said I was once an AMD cpu user.
I also agree that intel wouldn't have worked so hard to get ahead if AMD hadn't been so good.
I do wonder what they did with all that money they must of made, cause as you say now intel have the money to pour into getting better and better. AMD could of done the same when they were king.

I also agree that your Phenom IIx4 is a great chip, it was after that they went crap. I would swap the fx-8350 for your chip in a heart beat. My mate still has his Phenom II x4 black edition and it's great. You definatly don't need an i7 like mine for gaming, but I do alot of other stuff like game development and video editing ect.

While I would like them to get better, and I have supported them in the past. I will not support them now by buying their inferior products. They can just get some more investors or something instead.

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I don't see a real future for AMD at all anymore. Their cpu's well under perform while generating alot more heat and use more power. Their GPU drivers suck in Linux compared to Nvidia. And even on windows you have more issues. Currently your better off just buying the best Intel cpu and Nvidia gpu you can with the budget you have for your build.

Unless they pull something out of their butts, the fx-8350 cpu I recently/regrettably bought for my missus will be the last sale from me. I should of just got her an i3 or low i5 for same price. It would perform better for gaming and wouldn't become a room heater while sounding like a it's about to take off into the sky. I had to buy an aftermarket cooler for it and disable core boosting to shut it up, or my partner wanted me to rip it out and put her old parts back in lol.

P.S I used to be a lover of AMD's cpu's. Never liked ATI cards though, due to same issues they still suffer from with AMD.

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Godot won't let you fullscreen your game on Linux. Well aparently it could, but they disabled the ability due to alt-tab not working. I read on their bug tracker that they aren't satisfied with any of the solutions that exist for opening a fullscreen window on Linux, like sdl2.

I was really interested in the engine until I found this. I wonder how many other things I would find
that are just silently missing from the Linux side. My only hope I guess would be to modify the source to get what I wan't. Although the whole point for me was to "make a game", not code the engine.

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I am happy to put it through it's paces before release.

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No interaction whatsoever. I gave it a try, but just didn't enjoy it.

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Although there is no Official Support from Logitech, I still absolutely
love my old G15 keyboard http://pandas.darrennolan.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/1.jpg [External Link]

It works fine out of the box in Linux except for the LCD screen and macro recording, but
there are multiple projects to get it working as good as it did in windows. Minus the
specific game support.

I could never live with 1 column of m-keys like that, I need 3 columns. With this I map games to use the
middle section as
q w e
a s d
and then I have 6 immediately above and below. Makes playing games so much more comfy,
and even more so if they use alot of buttons like a mmo.

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Why did the pirate go on vacation?
A: He needed some arrr and arrr!

A pirate walks into a bar with a big ships wheel down his pants. The bartender says,
"Excuse me sir, but do you know you have a ships wheel down the front of your pants?"
And the pirate says
Aaargh, it's driving me nuts!!

Why did the Pirate kill his wife?
A: She couldn't get it haaaaarrrrrrrrrrrd

Now give me arrrr blarrrrrdy key.... pretty please

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