Quoting: ShmerlGood, then what are you even arguing about? If discussion doesn't work for you, don't engage in discussion :)

It work's as soon as you're going to read, understand and answer my argument. WINE cannot be a Windows emulator because it doesn't intent to emulate Windows, which is way more than an API/ABI.

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Quoting: ShmerlEmulation can mean emulating software. Those who don't like this or don't get it can move along. Arguing with them is a complete waste of time.

This is still nothing anybody here has been saying around here. That's why the discussion doesn't work. Arguing would need to deal with the actual arguments given, which you're not doing today.

Again, for your reading pleasure:

Windows consists of a lot of things, including but absolutely not limited to...
[ ] API
[ ] ABI
[ ] Scheduler
[ ] Memory manager
[ ] Kernel
[ ] File handling
[ ] Drivers
[ ] User interface
[ ] ... you name it.

Most of this is not - at all - handled by WINE, and therefore, WINE is not a Windows emulator, and will never be.
(You see? Nothing about hardware, nothing about there would be no possibility to emulate software.)

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Quoting: LinasIt's much more like what Mono is to .NET, or like Pipewire to Pulseaudio, or like FNA to XNA, or DXVK to DirectX, etc. They implement the same API, which allows to use them interchangeably without modifying the clients. At least in theory you could write a native Linux application against Wine API and there would be no emulation involved.

But API itself is not quite enough to trick actual Windows applications.

To deviate even further: I found news group postings from '93 where they call it "WINDOWS API emulator" - but isn't it technically the ABI, not the API, they're... whatevertheyredoingwithit?

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: EikeYou've got the whole thread at your disposal to cite all those. Nobody here was defining it this way,

And I'm not talking about people here, but about those who were originally annoyed at Wine calling itself an emulator, causing it to be rebranded as "not an emulator". So not sure what your point is exactly. None of these people are here I presume.

You've been explicitly talking about the present:

Quoting: ShmerlWine emulates Windows, so it is an emulator of it. But some can't understand the term except in the context of emulating hardware, so they probably insisted that "Wine is not an emulator [of hardware]".

Windows consists of a lot of things, including but absolutely not limited to...
[ ] API
[ ] ABI
[ ] Scheduler
[ ] Memory manager
[ ] Kernel
[ ] File handling
[ ] Drivers
[ ] User interface
[ ] ... you name it.

Most of this is not - at all - handled by WINE, and therefore, WINE is not a Windows emulator, and will never be.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: EikeNobody said anything about hardware except you.

Not true. All those who got hung up on "Wine is not an emulator" were busy defining emulator as something that has to emulate CPU architecture and such. While the meaning of the word emulate never had to be limited to what they wanted.

You've got the whole thread at your disposal to cite all those. Nobody here was defining it this way, and you ignored - and are still ignoring - all arguments that actually were given.

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Quoting: ShmerlI don't see a discussion in this really and any issue with using a broad meaning of emulates. No one said emulates only can refer to hardware, except for some who decided to limit the meaning for some weird reason.

Nobody said anything about hardware except you.

Quoting: F.UltraAnd no WINE is not a OS emulator, it's a reimplementation of the Windows API. Not really sure how a emulator for a modern OS would look like but perhaps this one from Google is. Perhaps they emulate it down to how e.g the Windows Scheduler works to make games get the 100% Windows experience that WINE can never do.

This. A Windows emulator would have to behave like Windows in more ways than offering its API. Because Windows is more than an API.

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Quoting: mr-victory

Quoting: EikeDo you have a link how to do this?

Here ya go:
https://www.geeks.lgbt/diy-steamos-3-0/ [External Link]
Do the last two steps (opt in to beta and pass
-gamepadui to steam)

Thanks!

Though my Firefox doesn't want to load this as they don't support TLS 1.2. :-/

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Quoting: CyrilNot to mention that, last time I installed Windows 10 for a test for someone, it took more than an hour to finally get to the desktop. Linux install, on the same PC, took 10 minutes.
It's amazing how shitty Windows can be.

... and you've got loads of productive software on Linux after this install.

Quoting: CyrilAnd oh my god, the annoying questions about privacy at the beginning... xD

That's an easy one though ;) : Change every single option and you're fine.

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Quoting: elmapul

Quoting: dindonValve is providing an official way to install Windows as well as put SteamOS back. The dual-boot wizard seems to also be in the work. Hopefully Windows users will also get the new SteamOS interface on Windows as a Big Picture mode replacement. That's plenty of support.

any steam client can run the new interface its just a matter of tweak a few config files, people already figured out how.

Do you have a link how to do this?

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