Quoting: F.UltraThey get the base source code of each package from Debian, then they have to build the IA-32 version themselves

If only someone would invent automatic building after source changes...

Quoting: F.Ultraand provide support themselves.

A 64 bit WINE not being able to install most Windows applications and Steam not running would have created "some" support needs as well...

Quoting: F.UltraConsidering the amount of packages in the repo it will take quite some time to build the packages for IA-32 and that is time taken from building for other archs and so on.

How many packages are we talking about (at the moment)?

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Quoting: TobiSGDMany VST-plugins for use with DAWs are only usable running on Wine.

Oops! I thought from the name it would be an IDE (like Visual Studio). Thanks!

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@Liam I wonder if the last days brought you an all-time high in traffic. :-D

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Surprise, surprise! ;-)

It's all fine that they want to reach another solution some day. Just not this day.

BTW, what would have been the problem with Ubuntu Studio?

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Quoting: RedfaceNow they actually change their plans: https://ubuntu.com/blog/statement-on-32-bit-i386-packages-for-ubuntu-19-10-and-20-04-lts [External Link]

"We'll stop shooting ourselves in the foot!" (Too bad there's a hole already.)

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Quoting: svartalf

Quoting: EikeI guess it depends on the value of the old stuff (high for many of us)

Uhm... How does 2/3rds or more of the Steam catalog sound to you as value?

Uhm... You did quote it...? (Quote shortened by me.)

Or do you mean to me personally? I'm torn... I tend to play games until I have finished/enough/given up and never revisit them. OTOH, I do want to be able to play them again. OTOH again, I guess I won't for all those 5 1/4 " discs either... But, yes, I want to keep being able to play 32 bit games.

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Quoting: SatoruAgain same thing. Gamers aren't their customers. Therefore Wine users aren't either. People 'in the cloud' don't use Wine. So they don't care what happens to Wine.

WINE is useful for way more than games. TBH, I can hardly imagine their customers don't need it. Having a Linux infrastructure but being able to run that one Windows program the company needs, but the Fortran ;-) code is gone, does sound valuable to me.

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The Easy Anti Cheat team is continuing to work on Linux support. Native support is in a beta state and works for some games

That sounds good.

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Quoting: BeamboomIn a world of limited resources, spending a lot of those resources on backward compatibility can be argued is a energy wasted that could be spent a lot better.

I guess it depends on the value of the old stuff (high for many of us) and the prices for the different solutions to keep the value. The price for Ubuntu to keeping these libs seems not high for me, especially considering Debian still maintains them. The price of hundreds of thousands of people setting up VM (or the like) solutions seems a bit higher. Yes, we do need some other solution some day. I just don't think it's this day yet.

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Quoting: SatoruThey didn't miss it

They dont care

Gamers are not their customers.

I get that (though I'm not sure it's clever to p**s off too many people). But what about WINE users...?

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