Quoting: BlackBloodRumHow do I get Valve to send me a free Steam Deck? :grin:

Make a gaming site for some decades and have some success. You're welcome!

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Quoting: EikeFlickering is not the opposite of VRR, it's screen tearing

Yes, I was using the wrong term here.

Quoting: Eikeand honestly since I moved away from a 60Hz screen and my old GPU I cannot notice screen tearing (the fps is far to high for that).

That's great for you, but many people are having low fps, and if not currently, maybe tomorrow with the next generation of games, you might have to. Your card will stop being high tier - but still have VRR.

(And, as I think you're a technical person as well: CPU and GPU waiting for the monitor is just wrong.)

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Quoting: BrokattI would guess that for the millions of Linux Steam users VRR is somewhat important.

More than 40% use a Steam Deck. Steam Deck doesn't support VRR (even the newest revision won't). It can't be that important if a gaming company omits it (on a device which would very much benefit from it).

Well, I sure don't buy into "The company isn't giving to us, so it's not important." Anybody got some more insight why Valve wouldn't do it? I'd guess it's part of making Steam Deck as affordable as possible?

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Quoting: F.UltraVery few people care about VRR, which is also why it have taken so long to get it implemented.

I find it very hard to believe that. Without VRR, you get either flickering or might be losing quite a bit of the performance you payed for (plus added input lag, but that probably is something not many people care for). When thinking about it, the monitor displaying the image when it's ready instead of some hundreds of bucks of CPU plus possibly many hundreds of bucks of GPU waiting for the monitor is the world as it's supposed to be.

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Quoting: slaapliedjeIt's kind of amusing to me that CRTs started off as 50/60hz, then higher end monitors started getting really high refresh rates (like the one I have that'll do 1600x1200 at 85hz). Then when we started with LCDs, we were back to having crappy refresh rates, with the added disadvantage of any non-native resolution looking like trash... Many years later, they're finally getting better.

You're forgetting or ignoring the fact that we mostly wanted higher refresh rates for CRTs to reduce the eye destroying flicker, not to make games run smoother or whatever. Whereas an LCD doesn't really have a flicker problem, even with the old fluorescent backlights.

And digital LCD display was just sooo much better than anything analogue.

To be fair, back when LCD displays started to take over, they weren't that great. The colours and contrast were pretty damn awful compared to a decent CRT.

I might be wrong an "any". But what I remember very good is that when I had seen LCDs with digital ports & cables, I didn't know any analogue display I considered on par.

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Quoting: slaapliedjeIt's kind of amusing to me that CRTs started off as 50/60hz, then higher end monitors started getting really high refresh rates (like the one I have that'll do 1600x1200 at 85hz). Then when we started with LCDs, we were back to having crappy refresh rates, with the added disadvantage of any non-native resolution looking like trash... Many years later, they're finally getting better.

You're forgetting or ignoring the fact that we mostly wanted higher refresh rates for CRTs to reduce the eye destroying flicker, not to make games run smoother or whatever. Whereas an LCD doesn't really have a flicker problem, even with the old fluorescent backlights.

And digital LCD display was just sooo much better than anything analogue.

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Quoting: jaycAnother odd stats for me it's the amount of disk space people have :D

Above 1 TB 65.15%

Are people re-using HDDs from their old computers? I have 512GiB for years now and it has been enough.

Yes - and I'm reusing old SSDs. (Current setup: SanDisk 120 GB, Samsung 850 EVO 500 GB, Samsung 980 1 TB.) And a cheap 2 TB SSD is available for under 80 bucks.

By the way, I had a 512 GB disk at work. Docker on WSL took 100 GB alone. Ordered an additional 2 TB SSD to hopefully get rid of those problems.

Ah, and some gamers seem to keep all there games installed. Some due to "data plans", other just because they like to.

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Quoting: mindedieAtleast OLED crowd will be bit muted... ofc now 4K, 144Hz and others will scream louder...

There will always be a group of people who aren't satisfied with a product, and want another version to fit some ideal they came up with.

Every gaming display in this (and all coming) decades should use variable refresh rate ("Gsync" and such).

You're welcome. ;)

Yea? There could be dozens of reasons Valve didn't include it in the announcement. Maybe the specific configuration they want isn't ready yet, maybe it still has too many bugs to work out. Maybe it actually is compatible and will be enabled by default at a later date.

It's easy to make that claim looking at it from the outside, but we're just not privy to all the internal details.

This was a joke regarding expectations of gamers always wanting more. Should be clear from the quoted context, IMHO. (But I seriously wouldn't buy a full blown monitor without it anymore.)

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Quoting: mindedieAtleast OLED crowd will be bit muted... ofc now 4K, 144Hz and others will scream louder...

There will always be a group of people who aren't satisfied with a product, and want another version to fit some ideal they came up with.

Every gaming display in this (and all coming) decades should use variable refresh rate ("Gsync" and such).

You're welcome. ;)

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Quoting: LungDragoit gives me PTSD from using 4 chat programs to talk to different people back in the 2000's.

You mean like WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger, Signal, Telegram, ...?

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Quoting: GuestI hope Xorg users will continue to get fixes.

I was under the impression that not only KDE on X, but especially Xorg itself does not get a lot of love anymore?

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