Quoting: tuubiI don't really see this as being a problem any more than, let's say, when Linux transitioned from OSS to ALSA and some audio players and libraries never migrated over. That's perfectly normal. I've written software myself that wouldn't work on modern systems because dependencies have gone the way of the dodo, but that would only be a problem if that software still had some practical value to someone.

Personally, I'm ok with it, but I'm surprised I didn't hear more protest from users of the smaller environments. But then, the only Linux website I visit is this one, so I might not have heard lots of noise. :)

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Quoting: LoudTechieLuckily X is not online so it will probably keep running on some offline computers.

But, X is supposed to be "network transparent" and should have loads of network code?!?

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Quoting: EikeWhen the world moves on to Wayland (in the next decade ;) ), will this be the death of all those little DEs that won't implement a Wayland compositor?

A. Killing a category of small FOSS projects is like weeding Reynoutria Japonica. Only achievable for large organisations with full control over the infrastructure and able to aggressively retribute to anyone who actively opposes the removal process. a.k.a there will always pop up more.
B. FOSS is big on compatibility I remember reading about problems with a removed function 19 years after getting deprecated.
C. FOSS projects don't rely on users to persist(*COUGH GNU/HURD *COUGH) just developers to maintain them.

I don't have the feeling you answered my question. Loads of FOSS projects are dying a silent death every day, GitHub is full of their corpses (and full of all those thriving projects, of course).

Quoting: LoudTechieI promise you that a single decade isn't enough to weed out the small non-implenting DE's or render them incompatible with your distro.

What will run the little DEs in a decade, when X.org is full of problems nobody is fixing anymore?

X will never(on a scale of decades) become any worse than it currently is.
Software doesn't get worse without active interference just more of its problems get known.

Well, there's even a name for it, bit rot [External Link]. And the difference between getting worse and having more known problems is little. Truth is, software, especially software with network components, needs people fixing it up to keep it's level of security. Yes, theoretically, it already has all holes that will become known the next years, but in practice, a hole nobody knows is not a threat. And new ways of finding security holes are invented. (I'd be surprised if AI is not able to find security holes, e.g.). So, yes, in my humble opinion, software (with network code) not being maintained rot over time.

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Quoting: EikeWhat will run the little DEs in a decade, when X.org is full of problems nobody is fixing anymore?

Just for the sake of clarity, are you talking of any particular DEs here or just some hypothetical ones that will never move on from X.org?

It's hypothetical, I only ever used KDE. I kept hearing about other ones, some E...3?, TWN, I got no idea. Like with many Linux topics, there seem to be many little alternatives to the big fishes. But I have the impression that getting ones DE to work on Wayland is quite some work that little projects might not be able to do. Is this impressions wrong?

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Quoting: EikeWhen the world moves on to Wayland (in the next decade ;) ), will this be the death of all those little DEs that won't implement a Wayland compositor?

A. Killing a category of small FOSS projects is like weeding Reynoutria Japonica. Only achievable for large organisations with full control over the infrastructure and able to aggressively retribute to anyone who actively opposes the removal process. a.k.a there will always pop up more.
B. FOSS is big on compatibility I remember reading about problems with a removed function 19 years after getting deprecated.
C. FOSS projects don't rely on users to persist(*COUGH GNU/HURD *COUGH) just developers to maintain them.

I don't have the feeling you answered my question. Loads of FOSS projects are dying a silent death every day, GitHub is full of their corpses (and full of all those thriving projects, of course).

Quoting: LoudTechieI promise you that a single decade isn't enough to weed out the small non-implenting DE's or render them incompatible with your distro.

What will run the little DEs in a decade, when X.org is full of problems nobody is fixing anymore?

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When the world moves on to Wayland (in the next decade ;) ), will this be the death of all those little DEs that won't implement a Wayland compositor?

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Quoting: BlackBloodRumI can't share my wallpaper for uh, reasons. But anyway, I thought everyone changed their wallpaper anyway?

Does anyone actually use the OS's default wallpaper, without changing it? :neutral:

I usually set it to a single, dark colour.(*) For minimum distraction.

(*) Like black.

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Quoting: satorideponConsidering the price it's not that bad and actually is a solid alternative to LCD Deck.

GPU is worse, but everything else is better (well, no trackpads, but again most people wouldn't care).

The only problem is that $299 model is only 128gb and doesn't have SD card slot, which makes it kinda useless unless you plan to replace the SSD.

And of course I'm concerned on how they will support the OS (and if they will in the first place)

The first Steamdecks started as 64GB and sold quite smooth.

I bought one, too... but I wouldn't have without an SD card slot.

Good point, I think they're relying on the usb 3.2(data only) port.

I bought an SD card (I think it's 256 GB) which is now sitting in the Deck, like... fire and forget. USB will be less "portable", and totally less forget. But ok, it's (another) compromise.

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Quoting: EikeThere's people not using the trackpads on Steam Deck either.

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Basicly ignorance and bloat.
It's a new kind of controller and the other stuff is there too.
Why learn a new trick when the old one still works.

I think it strongly depends on the games you want to play.

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Quoting: satorideponConsidering the price it's not that bad and actually is a solid alternative to LCD Deck.

GPU is worse, but everything else is better (well, no trackpads, but again most people wouldn't care).

The only problem is that $299 model is only 128gb and doesn't have SD card slot, which makes it kinda useless unless you plan to replace the SSD.

And of course I'm concerned on how they will support the OS (and if they will in the first place)

The first Steamdecks started as 64GB and sold quite smooth.

I bought one, too... but I wouldn't have without an SD card slot.

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