Quoting: Whitewolfe80

Quoting: tuubiIt's simply too optimistic to think your average gamer would go through the hassle of installing a new operating system just to play a single game, Rockstar or not. Not that any sane publisher would support Linux and not Windows even as a weird publicity stunt. And we all know that Rockstar is all about mass market appeal, just like Ubisoft and EA.

Really because I know people that bought wii U to play mario kart and they don't own any other games, No i know that hence the hypothetical argument it would never happen. If you do not know what hypothetical means it means in theory like for example in theory you could pull Angelina Jolie it would never happen but it is a hypothetical scenario.

Hypothesis is a scientific term, meaning an educated guess at an explanation for a phenomenon. What you're describing is a fantasy. Not my fantasy btw.

Anyway, I know people who wouldn't hesitate to buy an expensive console to play a single game, but think messing with their PC's operating system is something arcane and scary, and much less appealing than walking to a shop and spending a bit of cash. They might perhaps buy something like a Steambox for that game, but wouldn't be any more inclined to use Linux after they're done with it. Nobody cares about the operating system on their console as long as it works. Well okay, we do, but we're not a representative sample.

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Quoting: Whitewolfe80

Quoting: lijuThis is purely hypothethical, unreal comment.. but just imagine RockStar decides to release Red Dead Redemption 2 on consoles and PC Linux only. How would the world react? Would there be unity among the PC windows players to switch over to Linux or rather cry, that rockstar newest engine iteration focuses on Linux instead of windows?

I think in the situation you describe they would dual boot but at least they would try linux.

It's simply too optimistic to think your average gamer would go through the hassle of installing a new operating system just to play a single game, Rockstar or not. Not that any sane publisher would support Linux and not Windows even as a weird publicity stunt. And we all know that Rockstar is all about mass market appeal, just like Ubisoft and EA.

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This is depressing, but as long as their bundles give us the option to decide who gets what, even dropping the "humble tip" entirely, I might still buy a bundle once in a blue moon. And if they come up with a proper indie bundle with great Linux games, I don't see any reason not to support that. Also no reason to give up on your game library at Humble. You've already paid for them, and Humble already got their cut.

I'm happy to hear people are giving up on their Monthly Bundle subscriptions though. I was never quite comfortable with the concept.

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I've played a bit of Dying Light, some Dirt Rally (the GOL league every week and a few of the dailies), and Pillars of Eternity with my wife. I'm really enjoying all of them. Oh, and I've also been playing some Borderlands 2 in co-op with friends. Normally I wouldn't go near a grindy FPS game like this, but the humour makes it all more than worth it. Granted I miss most of it, trying to keep up with friends who are better at shooters and who have already seen it all. :whistle:

Quoting: groundhog_day86Dying Light struggles to stay above 60fps on my gtx960 but its still playable

Same problem here. I did notice that this is one of the few games where killing the compositor (compton) actually makes a big difference. I just got the game recently, and I'm still puttering around the slums, but so far it's been just fine that way on high settings at 1080p. Don't know or care about the exact fps though. VSync is off and Nvidia's full composition pipeline enabled to get rid of tearing.

This game is not easy by the way. I really don't like the freaky buggers who roam at night. They don't seem to like me either. I wonder what I did to make them so angry.

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Quoting: lidstahBut I do agree on the fact that this kind of distro is more oriented to people who knows (or who want to know and thus pay the price for knowledge) the inners of their operating system and who like tinkering with it ("Oh, a problem? nice! let's solve it!" ). Obviously, people who want an "it just work" solution should head to more user-friendly distros - which is perfectly fine, no elitism intended.

My comment had nothing to do with how difficult these distros are to use and maintain.

Rolling release distributions do not provide a stable target for developers to test on, which means it's harder to commit to long term support. Being source-based adds its own set of variables to this equation. It's much easier to promise support for a specific release of Ubuntu for example. If a game is tested to work on Ubuntu 16.04 now, it's quite likely it will work on Ubuntu 16.04 in half a year. That's all I meant. No room for elitism in this discussion.

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Quoting: tofuhead

Quoting: nanohazardWill it support Arch Linux tho...

is it that different from the rest of the distros?

It's a rolling release distribution, and those don't make for stable targets.

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Quoting: appetrosyanNow consider two scenarios: one with our current state of affairs and one I proposed.
A) "Well, you have some good games, like Deus Ex Mankind divided, but not Human Revolution (the good one), you have almost no complete franchise ports. Everything runs (at best) 5% slower than on Windoows, we only support the most counter-FSF GPU designer (nVidia), all thanks to using a (bad) Winwows wrapper (SDL). We do have Wine, that runs stuff better, but it's not officially supported. And yes, if the game runs on one of the three officially supported native game engines, you should expect Graphical glitches and maybe 2% fewer FPS. No exclusives. In fact, games that do come out, do so weeks after release."

B) "You can run almost any game that you could on Windows. You sometimes have to do some work in order to get decent FPS (about 25% slower on average), but almost everything on DX9 runs as good as on Windows. It uses the exact same files, so should have pretty much the same capabilities. Also Valve have Half Life 3 exclusive to Linux and their console. A couple other exclusive games too".

Wouldn't you agree that the latter case

No. The first one shows you don't really know what you are talking about, and the second one shows you're not cut out for marketing. I mean "like windows, but slightly worse for gaming" isn't much of a slogan, and not even true. Linux is different, and that's a strength, not a weakness. Also I don't think platform exclusives would be a good idea.

This thread seems to have attracted the gloomiest bunch of killjoys in our community. Cheer up guys. Play a game or something. We're doing just fine. :)

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Quoting: roothorickLinux needs to be the better option. For the consumer, having a thousandth the content available eclipses any advantage Linux could possibly achieve. You have a better idea for solving that problem?

I don't have any better ideas, I just don't think yours solves anything either. We don't have to support everything Windows does anyway. We just need a decent catalogue of games people actually want to play. Wine or emulators are just fine for playing the oldies.

In any case, the way MS has been going from one bad decision to the next lately, they might just do the work for us and push gamers away at some point. The camel's back will only bend so far before it snaps. Let's just do our part and be ready to welcome the refugees. :)

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Quoting: roothorick

Quoting: appetrosyanAnd in all fairness, Carmack was right.

Linux is unsuitable for business. Maybe as a development environment, but not as a target. But if I were to push for games on Linux, I'd focus on such projects as Wine

I've been saying this for a while now.

A lot of what Carmack says about Linux comes from a fundamental (and very common) misunderstanding of what Linux is and what its free and open source nature actually implies. Experts kept saying the same about Linux in the server space for years, and look what happened. Open source software and closed source software simply do not play by the same rules, and their success can't be measured by the same standards. The biggest obstacle Linux has ever faced is nothing technical. It's corporate and cultural inertia.

Wine is a wonderful piece of software, but not a real solution to this particular problem. It provides a means for developers to relatively quickly and painlessly publish ports of their Windows games, or for gamers on other platforms to play them. But that's all it is and will ever be IMHO. Intermediate porting layers and wrappers won't solve the bigger challenges. Gamers won't switch to a different platform just because it's available.

But I guess time will tell. For me personally this makes very little difference. I love gaming, but wouldn't consider doing it on a closed operating system or a console.

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Quoting: ALinuxGamerMesa still not supporting Vulkan and closed source drivers (especially AMD) are low performers (I am not excited by the Nvidia closed source performance either).

What do you mean? Mesa has anv for Intel and for AMD there's radv. Both should support all the Vulkan features and extensions in Vulkan 1.0.

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