This thread is infected with so many internet tropes, it's ludicrous to read.

There are the post-Cold War comments in all their glory, fuelled by the confusion between Tecent/Epic/Chinese Government...

Then there is that thing about Liam's line on Easy-anti Cheat. Where do you see a conspiracy theory on his wording? I mean, he just pointed out two related facts. I do see why the topic gets emotional, though:

1. Epic used to be very supportive up to UT 2004
2. Now they really don't care
3. Two of the biggest exclusive contracts they got (Metro and Borderlands) had their previous episodes ported to Linux, which obviously means they won't be ported just now (or won't be at all)
4. They advocate the use of Lutris the way id software suggested to improve Wine support: now that we don't care anymore, just help yourself.

So there are plenty of reasons to be displeased with them, which are as many ways to fuel some sort of paranoia.

But to accuse Liam of flaming... Sounds like "Come on, those damn journalists, can't they keep their mouth shut?" to me...

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@epic, look at Quake Champions. That's the kind of games we want to play: Violent, fast-paced FPS. Not some gimmicky nonsense for kids.

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I've been owning a license for several years now and it's always been a way better experience than stock wine or PoL. But I've got to say that Proton changed this a great deal lately, and I've been using Steam to play Windows games ever since it went public. Nevertheless, I'm pretty sure I'll be renewing my license next August just to support wine development.

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Quoting: cRaZy-bisCuiT

Quoting: edmondo

Quoting: heidi.wengerWhat about that much talked about "Navi"? So this is not it at all?

Navi will come later. Most of us are surprised to see Vega II at all. It seems AMD has seen an opportunity in the market for it, probably strong 7nm process (and Nvidia skyrocketing prices).

Where do you see this opportunity? The price is about the same. Just because of vram?

When it comes to components, $100 is a lot of money, though.

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Maybe I should mail them to ask for an alternative game to give my money to. (Because obviously, it won't be theirs...)

That's a real shame because they had Castlevania's creator on board, I really wanted to play this.

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Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: Guest

Quoting: Botonoski

Quoting: Guest

Quoting: BotonoskiLinux is sort of on the bleeding edge, always changing and a bunch of experimentation going on. Perhaps when Linux has a larger market share and one particular distro rises to the occasion the platform will be more stable and easier for developers to support. Though if that were to occur I think Linux would ultimately be worse off as it probably be slower to progress in performance and design to maintain legacy support and whatnot.

I don't really agree with this sentiment, you can pretty much support 99% of bigger distro users by testing on debian and fedora/opensuse.
Of these Debian, for example, is not "bleeding edge" at all. If you target stable, you get lots of years of support, and at least 3 years between the next distro. I don't think that's more bleeding edge than windows versions. I think this view that it is "bleeding edge" - at least when it comes to gaming - is because much of the work on modern ogl drivers were done much later than on windows.

Also, indies and big studios also like the bleeding edge: i remember back when i used to play on windows, the new games would always tell you to not forget to upgrade the graphics driver.

What gives me the impression that even Debian is on the bleeding edge is, well, currently playing a decade old native linux game on my current system is rather difficult, certainly possible, but dealing with a web of older dependencies and getting those installed without breaking my system has proven before to be quite the headache, even moreso than compiling a game from source code.
Now compare that to Windows where I'm able to whip out a game from 1999 and get it running on Windows 7 with zero hassle most of the time.
From this I get the impression that Linux is a bit quicker in pruning out old code compared to Windows, this can be rather inconvenient but it's probably more secure and efficient.

That is not very true, many counterexamples have been given - i think even on GoL - where some people play games in wine because it runs better in it than on windows.

This is true enough but not really a counterexample. Wine is specifically designed to operate as old versions of Windows. Windows could be better at running old Windows programs than Linux is at running old Linux programs, and yet Wine could be better still. And of course it traditionally isn't as much of a problem on Linux because active parts of the open source software ecosystem get maintained and updated along with the OS, so there is very little "old" software. But with games and other closed things, it's a bit different; maybe we need a "Wine" for running old Linux software.

Also of course incompatibilities have gotten significantly worse since Windows 7. But Microsoft used to work hard on making sure old stuff still ran.

Actually that's not a bad idea. It could be a Compatibility Mode, or a Classic Mode, not unlike what Microsoft or Apple does.

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Quoting: Patola

Quoting: omer666(...)
Two overlooked facts about using other distros than Ubuntu:
- users running into trouble with these distros are willing to troubleshoot things themselves because they know they aren't supported (...)

In the end, that factor does not matter. Because not all users of other distros will stay quiet or troubleshoot themselves; at least some will ask for support which the vendor won't be able to give. And that still counts as the perception that all distros must be supported.

Of course some people will complain, but how many people does a minority of users from an alternative distro represent anyway? Nothing their QA staff can't handle, if you ask me.

Compare this to the massive refunding requests they will get soon, and you will understand why this excuse is pretty weak.

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Some comments about different distros being an issue are not quite true. In fact distros are more about general user experience and software environment than mere compatibility. You can always (re-)compile stuff that's missing but in the end, it's still the same kernel running the same libraries.

Two overlooked facts about using other distros than Ubuntu:
- users running into trouble with these distros are willing to troubleshoot things themselves because they know they aren't supported
- many bugs you will experience on the latest version of Fedora or on Arch are bugs you will shortly encounter in Ubuntu, as libraries catch up with other distros' more recent versions, so troubleshooting other, more bleeding edge distros is also future-proofing your game.

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Quoting: PatolaWith Steam Play being much more uniform across linux distros, they'll have less trouble.

While I get what you are trying to say, just have a look at protondb and you will see that your lineage can change a great deal depending on the distro and hardware used, so if they want to officially support Proton, they will need to either bundle it within the game or test it across all distros, which cancel their point.

As far as buying Windows games is concerned, I personally do it a great deal since I know it counts as a Linux sale. It is so much fun to know that companies like Namco or Square Enix who never ever considered porting games to Linux, let alone macOS, see users playing their games in their stats.

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Quoting: g000h

Quoting: GoboYou want a cake? You know the drill!

Ah. The "good old days" of Linux - compiling your own stuff. Sure, you can still do it now, but most distributions give you awesome package management instead.

I haven't used "make clean ; make menuconfig ; make dep ; make bzImage ; make modules ; make modules_install ; make install" for a long time.

I'm generally so, so happy with the Debian package management. Considerably less irritating than Windows updates.

And now: Steam client with Steam Play/Proton/WINE technology which gives us the opportunity to play games which will never make their way directly onto Linux, with no need to tweak WINE - Just launch the installer and play.

Happy Birthday, Steam client for Linux :)

I think I should ask Fedora to add cake-1.0.f29.x86_64 packages to its core repo, then...

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