It's hard to take people seriously when comments are basically 'Windows good, Linux bad' --

I felt this was a good counter-argument:

Quoting: Purple Library GuyThe Windows UI works badly for that use case [Small form factor touch devices]

Quoting: Purple Library Guyit's [...] closed source and controlled by a vast unresponsive corporation

Another gem, imagine [Valve] wanting to be business partner with a company [Microsoft] that (1) doesn't care what Valve wants and (2) wants you dead (so Microsoft Windows Store can have 100% of profits and answer to no one.)

Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: GuestA locked down linux distro is no different than using a proprietary distro

That statement is categorically false. It most certainly is very different. [...] GPL

This was a fantastic counter-argument as well. SteamOS and Linux-distros can be legally forked and developed by anyone for any reason or for no particular reason either. Microsoft Windows cannot be forked, it's (1) take it or (2) leave it -- and, if they do things users don't like user's options are (1) whine harder into the void or (2) be quit about it, or (3) take it. "No different" lmao. What bad faith of a self acclaimed expert.

Quoting: Purple Library GuyIf someone wanted to [...] release a version that was identical to SteamOS [...] but not immutable, there is nothing to stop them.

As it was pointed out above in the thread, SteamOS immutability can be turned off. It's literally just Arch-Linux but frozen with extras. I literally had turned off the immutability when I was modding my SteamOS for research purposes.

And I'm sure if I added the official mirrors to `/etc/pacman.conf` `/etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist` and did a software update `pacman -Syu` it would diverge in the same way that I turned Sabayon into a Gentoo back in the day simply by using `emerge`.

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His avatar is literally the Wayland Logo in a trash can, he obviously has strong opinions and is quick to judge -- but the real funny part is when people are willing to dish out harsh criticism but can't take their own medicine.

Paper skin, glass homes.

But hey 'Wind0ze good, Lunix bad' -- is basically a straw-man -- I'll take that claim any day because it's a "belief" that's extremely easy to defeat using logic and reasoning similar to "one size fits all" -- it's not even offensive -- it just comes off as Microsoft shill bate, gatekeepers angry at the influx of new people, and an inferior enemy (Microsoft) loosing the battle.

And as for his 'I'm a great Linux Warrior of many years and da open source' claims -- his profile is set to private, and I would like to know exactly what "Great battles" and "Great achievements" he was referencing. Like okay move over Lennart Poettering, if you want to be a aggro belligerent genius with a narcissism personality disorder -- that's fine by me -- people will tolerate you to an extent -- but _only_ if you deliver. So far all the logical arguments are "not delivering" and "not standing up" at all -- which makes it baseless vitrol. So far, in the end everyone's time was wasted, the popcorn eaters got theirs, and I guess the recompensation would be the "fitness gains" of another walk in the park debate, piece of cake.

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Quoting: pbI wonder what's keeping Valve from just officially releasing SteamOS for general use.

Opinion answer. It's in Valve's best interest to _NOT_ publish SteamOS for general consumption.

SteamOS is a brand name, and similar to Redhat Enterprise Linux RHEL when you buy that thing you are buying the brand, and it's in RHEL's best interest to make sure any "other party" work is done under another name -- CentOS (historically.)

I suspect Valve knows after the initial Steam Machine release that it can be problematic having 5 different companies each try to roll their own -- can you imagine you're average Niche 5th world Linux Gamer complaining on the internet

"Y SteamOEZ No Work With my 266Mhz Pentium 2 Processor and some obscure graphics card from 2006 ????"

But seriously, for quality control to be a thing you have to narrow the band of hardware and expectations -- Valve has a good thing going, and the reputation of Steam Deck and SteamOS are on the line, and if I had to guess whether releasing for general consumption would _enhance_ or _detract_ from their reputation I would think It would detract.

Being a member of this community for like 24 years I know it's hard for us to accept certain basic truths that differ from our individual truths -- namely most people _don't want to_ _EVER_ install _X random OS_ on _Y hardware_ and just "hope it works" -- if it literally doesn't come from the store with that exact software -- they literally _WILL NOT_ spend more than 0 hours trying to figure out -- some people "don't have fun" exploring new software things.

It just gets increasingly hard as people get older to have enough time as it is for other things that demand time.

Fewer hardware targets for Valve is a good thing when it comes to trojan horsing Linux to the mainstream. Just look at android I'm going to guess it trojan horsed Linux 4 billion times into consumer hands -- 1 thing.

Computer hardware keeps reaching new milestones and if programmers can't target the cpu and gpu power of the Steam Deck in a non-wasteful way it's never going to happen. At some point the jump between 100GB and 1000GB assets just doesn't have a practical return other than giving programmers more to be wasteful with -- source: am programmer.

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Flathub has served just about 1.6 billion downloads, has over 2,400 apps

Very impressive, congratulations to @all. The quality of FOSS on the store is great, and while predicting the future is hard -- I am modestly optimistic about their efforts to make a commercial area of the store someday.

Similar to the debate when Proton was first announced, I think that such a development would have a net-positive effect and we could start getting commercial developers income so we can improve Linux' image to commercial developers and get ourselves some great pro-tools.

I happened to be on FlatHub searching the chatapps the other day and it's really great to have such a resource to discover new leads. Long gone is the day of browsing text entries on synapsis on ubuntu and wondering what each package was or even if it was actively developed.

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Quoting: Phlebiac

Quoting: ElectricPrismCould the sub-components come from the mainland, or could there be concerns of the mainland effecting Taiwan companies? Sure -- I woulds say the same is possible for Samsung (South Korea) and LG (South Korea) the same as any other tech from the region, even Japan does manufacturing in mainland China for some things.

The same is possible for most "American" companies, like Apple.

The conversation is about Ayaneo and ASUS not "Apple and Merica".

Race baiting strat got nerfed last year.

Any attempt at redirecting the existing conversation to "Hwhat bout Merica" will result in mute and block.

Confession through projection. Nobody wants to talk about that. We want to talk about how much Ayaneo sucks for not shipping Linux, and clarifying that ASUS is infact Taiwanese. (Literally just read their Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asus [External Link] )

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Quoting: melkemind

Quoting: DrNickHonestly, it's not worth getting involved with most of the chinese handhelds. Ayaneo especially have terrible customer service.

So, Asus and Lenovo are both Chinese as well. Is their customer service also bad, or is it only worth mentioning it's Chinese if it's bad?

AFAIK ASUS, MSI, (NVIDIA to a large degree) and a bunch of others are Taiwanese, which technically is Old China pre-1,900s pre-cultural-revolution (Also known as the destruction of Thousands of Years of Chinese History, Artifacts, and Culture).

Lenovo is quite literally made in Beijing, the capitol. (This is easy to check on Wikipedia)

One (Lenovo) is under the National Security Law & National Intelligence Law requiring cooperation with government espionage (according to US officials), or prison, and the other (ASUS-Taiwan) is not AFAIK.

Source: When US officials were pressed in early 2019 to provide evidence that Huawei, the Chinese telecommunications giant, had facilitated spying on the US and its allies [...] [ The director referenced in Chinese Law ] the introduction of a new national intelligence law in 2017 [...] The law states that “any organisation and citizen” shall “support and cooperate in national intelligence work”
- The director of the US National Counterintelligence and Security Center
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/25/china-business-xi-jinping-communist-party-state-private-enterprise-huawei [External Link]

Anyways, those are the facts as I know them.

China is a large geographic region that has something like 47+ different ethnic cultures, similar to how North America and South America have many peoples -- Mongolian, Cantonese (Southern Coastal), Han Chinese, Taiwanese (The Islanders), Technically debatable the Tibetans, now Hong Kong (The British Colony under the Queen), and other areas.

Personally, I buy Taiwanese products -- like the Ergodox Ez, ASUS products, BV-Tech has some network gear with US Military approved certification.

Could the sub-components come from the mainland, or could there be concerns of the mainland effecting Taiwan companies? Sure -- I woulds say the same is possible for Samsung (South Korea) and LG (South Korea) the same as any other tech from the region, even Japan does manufacturing in mainland China for some things.

So in conclusion YMMV and the choice is ultimately yours who you give your hard earned money to. Do your research, and read, and remember if you reward bad behavior the future will suck. It's up to each of us to decide for ourselves.

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AYANEO NEXT LITE no longer ships with SteamOS-like HoloISO Linux - Windows 11 instead

Alternate title: People pretending to be communist-socialists ship device with fascist operating system instead of you know... a more communal, globally developed one XD.

I see this kind of last minuet reverse-uno all the time. Makes you wonder what powers that be do behind closed doors to make sure the future stays on track for the authoritarian-fascists to win.

Whatever small interest I had in their devices is now null, I'll keep my eyes open for more worthy selections in the future, preferably one that has CoreBoot.

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Quoting: TiZ

Quoting: KimyrielleI am thinking of a really compelling reason to containerize Steam and can't come up with one...

Not even one? I have an easy one. First, Steam is proprietary. [..] That's not it, either. I have about... 800+ additional reasons, at least in my Steam library. A whole litany of proprietary, closed-source games. Only a fraction of them are native, and would have hypothetically unfettered access to the whole filesystem when unsandboxed, but that's enough to prefer to be safe rather than sorry.

100% this. "anti-cheats" *cough* *cough* kErNeL r00tk1Ts -- for now I have completely separate machines for Linux Gaming vs Desktop, and the Steam Deck does a great job Appliancizing and air gapping proprietary access by who knows which panaroid schitzo government to our machines.

Anyways, steam is a saint but there is a big difference between the store(s) and the publisher(s) in terms of ethos, ethics, and vision -- not all of them share the opinion that consumers are people or have human rights to privacy or dignity.

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Remember RocketLeague Gate.

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Linux hits nearly 4% desktop user share on Statcounter

My reaction to winning the OS Wars after all these years, Mein Führer...! I can valk! [External Link]

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Quoting: TheRiddickTalk about making it political.

Regarding your criticisms:

UEFI security threat:

https://arstechnica.com/security/2023/12/just-about-every-windows-and-linux-device-vulnerable-to-new-logofail-firmware-attack/ [External Link]

Apparently a news story from today dropped on this exact issue.

https://x.com/Barchart/status/1738360359201771854?s=20 [External Link]

Its not my fault Pelosi is a politician. Who bought 5M of Nvidia literally today IIUC.

Normal people are going to tilt their head.

Also, let's not forget about the blackbox "blob" and Nvidia cockblocking Linux for over a decade.

Regarding my Bluetooth LORA claims:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=-tIK3Fk-bLA [External Link]

I'm totally willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and presume you are just not informed about these topics, and that's okay, but please just be the kind of people who thirst to learn and read. This is where we area unfortunately.

Edit: Bonus source showing Taiwan TVs were hacked https://businessinsider.com/taiwan-nancy-pelosi-7-11-hack-get-out-messages-cyberattack-2022-8 [External Link]

TL;DR -- the cyber dystopian future is already pretty much here if you've been paying attention.

And if one country or military has the backdoor, pretty much all do.

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