I'm more interested in the hardware itself, and Valve has proven their support is solid. Plus, they're uniquely positioned to genuinely care, as opposed to Oculus/Meta, Sony etc. If I'm going to be jumping onto anything VR at this point Valve hardware is probably the very top of that potential list.

Very curious about the pricing, though. I'm somewhat excited for some specific games, but not THAT excited about VR in general.

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Quoting: Shiz nit

Quoting: pageroundI, for one, thank the Devs for eliminating a game from the to-buy list. I think I'll limit myself to 'steamdeck compatible' titles (or equivalent) going forward as I am not confident I could replace that super-computer level of hardware if the PC dies and not break the bank. I can play Witcher 3, BG 3, New Vegas, etc ... Should last me a while.
Thanks Liam, spot on reporting.

The Am4 5800x, a 5 year old chip, i bought 12 months ago in the run up to xmas 2024 for 130 pounds. That chip is right now selling on amazon for 200 pounds.

I dotn think i could affored to replace my hardware either as even the last platform Am4 stuff is rising to crazy levels considering it is now old and dead.

It's a perfect storm. I was considering upgrading to the cheaper, but still good enough AM4 and sit out AM5 altogether, but then AMD stopped manufacturing the 5800x3D to push AM5 adoption... and it worked. My entire plan collapsed when the AM4 costs basically rose to meet a vastly superior AM5 build that would last me longer. I was still planning to buy everything slowly, but then the RAM crisis started, the SSDs began increasing and the time to buy a GPU shifted to Now Or Not For A While.

I'm not getting rid of my 2015 build, that's for sure. You're prying that DDR3 from my cold, dead hands.

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Quoting: suchWell, yeah, which is why I mentioned it. I guess if you really wanted to you could throw in up to 4x6GB if your motherboard is avant enough let you, so 18GB then is also possible. But, that's so far from common even IOI system requirements isn't the place for this level of needless confusion.

afaik they only sell components at multiples of 2 numbers (2,4,8) so you cant purchase an 6GB ram module.

You're right. I Googled something that turns out to be a typo, apparently.

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Quoting: elmapulRam was cheap.

That's the joke :)

Quoting: elmapulyou have a point, but there is also another thing to consider.

you can have 24GB of ram by having 16+8 or 8+8+8...

it makes a difference!
in theory 3 channels of 8GB is faster than 8+16GB but i think there is a trade off for having everything you want to access in the same chip vs spliting it into multiple chips, so im not sure if 3 channels is always better

Well, yeah, which is why I mentioned it. I guess if you really wanted to you could throw in up to 4x6GB if your motherboard is avant enough let you, so 18GB then is also possible. But, that's so far from common even IOI system requirements isn't the place for this level of needless confusion.

Either way, I'd be quite surprised to see 007 chew through 32gb even at such eye-watering frame rates like 60fps in 1080p. You're not making back that licensing money if this is now you optimise your game, RAM crisis or not...

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One possibility regarding RAM is just that outside of the oddball 24GB configuration 32GB is simply the next stop. So, if a game realistically utilises 18ish at the ultra-high end of... 1080p60 (or 360p240, if you're feeling like braving those high frame rates) you slap 32GB on the requirements and you're done with it, no biggie. RAM is cheap, after all.

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They may have hoped for that 50xx refresh that ended up getting postponed for at least a year.

Well, typically you don't design games for hardware that's not even out yet. You go for stuff that has been out for 3-4 years, so there is an installed basis. Even IF the upgraded 50XX GPUs become a thing (there are rumors that they might get canceled), the game will likely launch before any of these has reached a customer.

You'd think that... When was the last time you tried cranking up a game to max settings? A 5080, arguably the top consumer card right now, straight up crashes if you try that at 1440p in Indiana Jones, a game from 2024, one released prior to the paper release of this generation of GPUs. And that's after a year of patching and some optimisation. Not enough VRAM. 007 was supposed to release roughly at a point where nVidia typically released (or would've been close to releasing) their refreshes. 12GB VRAM for 1080p60 sends a clear message here, from my point of view.

I mean, just a peek at raster performance a notch above 1080p (a reminder that nVidia was advertising Turing GPUs as 8k-capable) tells you where the current ceiling is, and it's not at 16GB VRAM where the top consumer cards card are, which is also well past what's reasonable to spend on graphics.

007 will function on 8GB, I don't doubt that, but if you need a current xx90 GPU to play a current game possibly on max settings that game isn't designed with current-gen hardware in mind on the high-end. What used to be GPUs intended basically for professionals is now needed for silly games to not even run that well at resolutions that match the current TV standards?

Basically, looking at those requirements I don't see how IOI wasn't counting on the industry to finally move on from 8GB to 12GB, and consequently from 16GB to whatever nVidia would deem us consumer peasants worthy of...

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Quoting: KimyrielleTo be fair, 32GB RAM have been sort of standard for gaming PCs for a while now. Also, these decisions were very likely made before the RAM prices went out of control, which started only a few months ago.

What I don't get is the 12GB VRAM. Even in the 50xx series, NVidia stubbornly refuses to put more than 8GB in most GPUs, so what's the target audience here?

GPU chop shop customers?

https://www.techpowerup.com/340880/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-gets-a-48-gb-mod-and-step-by-step-tutorial [External Link]

They may have hoped for that 50xx refresh that ended up getting postponed for at least a year.

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These are about as confusing as buying Hitman if you inspect a bit closer.

Min. VRAM = 8GB. Makes sense in 2026. Recommended nVidia card: GTX 1660. Which is a 6GB card.

Recommended VRAM: 12GB. 1080p aside... sure, let's roll with it. Recommended nVidia card: 3060Ti. Which is an 8GB card.

Maybe it's about the features, maybe they tried to account for the bandwidth, maybe they rounded up, who knows. GTX 1660 does not make sense to me as an example even then, though.

If they're as specific as this they should've gone further, because right now I have no idea what runs the game and how. IOI might have benchmarked 3060 vs 3060Ti, but few consumers have the luxury, so it'd be helpful to have a comment on the VRAM situation there given that's the example they went with (I realise it's probably driven by the Steam survey. It's still not helpful to me).

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Larian is deserved regardless. They really do seem to want to do good, they listen, and just overall they're largely customer-facing. As long as they're profitable and Swen is calling the shots we're probably safe to assume that won't be changing.

Hello Games sort of got pushed into... needing to be that if they were to continue as a studio, the studio head's reputation and literal face was riding on this mess of a launch, and then they established a successful business model based on all this, i.e. full price game discounted on content updates, but never past roughly half off, and we did get a regional price bump to Valve suggested pricing - which is not the Good Guy thing to do. That loyal fanbase surely won't mind, though. Eh, Sean?

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Quoting: _wojtekIMHO this is a good development. GOG felt like a side project of CDP without much love. Having it in a private hands and also more focus could push it forward. Steam, privately owned, shows that it can develop nicely. I do hope same will happen with GOG.

Valve had all the time and resources in the world to shape Steam into whatever they wanted. Zero effective competition. Remember Impulse? Yeah.

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