Quoting: Calinou

Quoting: scaineI find it a bit upsetting that some of the opening comments to this news are negative. It's like someone offering you a free apple pie and turning your nose up and saying you prefer pears. Can we not just celebrate the awesome work CellarDoor and Ethan Lee put into this with a bit of gratitude? That it might help future developers learn, not to mention the modding potential?

I think this is because it feels like a downgrade compared to most game source code releases in the 2000s (where the GPL was typically used, or sometimes permissive licenses). It's much less common to see games have their source code released nowadays, let alone under OSI-approved open source licenses.

These custom licenses can also hinder the game's modding potential due to their terms, e.g. for source ports that are intended to replace the original executable.

These days, when I see a game's source code announcement, I basically assume it's under a proprietary license now :(
Descent 3 is the latest exception I can think of right now.

I blame the reaction of the community to Meta's LLAMA.
People went wild about it and nobody clearly contested their "open source" claim, which resulted in the companies(rightfully) concluding that they can get comparable effects with proprietary licenses nowadays.

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Quoting: CyborgZetaShould've been done years ago. I, for one, do not want an ARM takeover. Locked bootloaders, and unable to easily install whatever Linux distro I want. No thank you.

It's strange about ARM it's both the absolute pinnacle of software freedom and the absolute worst.
Thanks to getting completely roasted by the DOJ Microsoft enforces the freedom to switch.
The GPL enforces that one technically on ARM too, but it doesn't have as powerful backers, so it's a lot more spotty there.
I really hope the SFC vs Vizio case ends favorably, so non-gpl copyright holders can start suing. [External Link]
I also hope Google loses its anti-trust fights, so the DOJ can achieve the same for them.

Contrary to x86 there is the option to run an ARM device on completely FOSS firmware, but it requires specific processors.
It doesn't have as much invasive ME firmware.

"Sigh"

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Quoting: PeakI understand the rest, but why in the world is Sweeney involved?

Sweeney has a bunch of lawsuits on his name that clearly indicate he cares a lot about competing on embedded platforms and since that is what they're trying to achieve his power and experience could actually help.

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Quoting: emphyLooks to me that if the code were released under a creative commons license, it'd be CC BY-NC-SA [External Link].

So, I'd be pretty comfortable with calling it OSS BY-NC-SA, despite it not adhering to one of the "official" open source licenses.

That violates number 1 and 3 of the open source definition. [External Link]
Creative Commons offers a lot of non-open source licenses.

Still an improvement though, so :happy:.

Edit: also I've a problem with how little the open source foundation enforces its trademark.
Source available is a fully functional term and if you want to fit within the open source trademark you should fit the definition.

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Quoting: TheRiddickProbably a custom lower power version of the AMD Strix Halo APU which I think is coming out soon for use.

Quoting: RandomizedKirbyTree47As to the main topic, I'm quite curious as to whether they go with ARM for the Deck 2.

ARM is probably still a few years away from being PERFORMANT under Linux. Which means it performs close to its raw hardware power levels because atm, its real crap, but yes the ARM's technically work under Linux.

As for the VR Headset, I think a ARM could work to run custom Valve software that has BAKED IN steam streaming support to PC (like real good quality) so people can play PCVR at great quality via USB or WiFi6+/7.

Not sure which ARM chips can decode and encode 4k AV1 120fps in real time. I know the Intel ARC GPU's (cheap/lowpower) can but who knows about ARM chips.... (also x264/HVEC is probably good enough since BANDWIDTH is unlikely to be a issue thanks to compression and highspeed wifi7/usb4 we have these days)

Quoting: TheRiddickProbably a custom lower power version of the AMD Strix Halo APU which I think is coming out soon for use.

Quoting: RandomizedKirbyTree47As to the main topic, I'm quite curious as to whether they go with ARM for the Deck 2.

ARM is probably still a few years away from being PERFORMANT under Linux. Which means it performs close to its raw hardware power levels because atm, its real crap, but yes the ARM's technically work under Linux.

As for the VR Headset, I think a ARM could work to run custom Valve software that has BAKED IN steam streaming support to PC (like real good quality) so people can play PCVR at great quality via USB or WiFi6+/7.

Not sure which ARM chips can decode and encode 4k AV1 120fps in real time. I know the Intel ARC GPU's (cheap/lowpower) can but who knows about ARM chips.... (also x264/HVEC is probably good enough since BANDWIDTH is unlikely to be a issue thanks to compression and highspeed wifi7/usb4 we have these days)

ARM is already performant under Linux, because lots of servers run on Linux/ARM and most Android phones do run ARM.
The real problem will be the emulation needed for x86.
ARM/x86 emulation is complete to in the level that they're now mostly limited by the speed that they can discover new secret instructions in x86.

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Quoting: Cato-the-younger

Quoting: LoudTechie

Quoting: Cato-the-younger

Quoting: Code_EyeGreat for arch all around, but thinking what valve gets out of it. Steam vr os perhaps? As x86 isn't really feasible for a headset currently in terms of heat, battery life and hardware camera calculation support.

Valve is probably preparing for an ARM based steam deck. Considering you can already run steam games through ARM processors/Box86 and Nvidia, its a logical step for power efficiency, especially if Apple hasn't shown us anything.

The SteamDeck is now a success product, meaning that a bad release(like one damaged by increased incompatibility issues, due to ARM) can damage their brand.
I think they will grab something else like a SmartWatch or a vr device.

See the vid by Jeff geerling where he tests gaming on a 4090 on an ARM processor and box64. Some games dont work but most do. With Valves resources its only a matter of time until box64 is equivalent to rossetta

https://youtu.be/thz5S_uciHk?si=5kKYw9a1_YmVycMQ [External Link]

Fully true, but what doesn't work is exactly the things Valve also had/has trouble fixing on Linux, so they will be starting the hard work all over again for a new platform in that way.
Anti-cheat companies are slow to move to it, larger games use special instructions nobody else knows about, etc.

Box64 is already equivalent to Rosetta, Apple can just can get away with more incompatibility than the rest of us and can manipulate the compilation of the software better, because they rule their ecosystem with an iron fist.

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Quoting: blaeNot to rain on anyone's parade, but Slimbook is still just an ODM reseller right? Do anyone know what make this is? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I'd wish there were more companies like Framework that actually designs their own laptops.

Framework doesn't just design laptops.
It designs components.

Asus designs laptops(POWER BUTTON IN THE MIDDLE).

Laptop design is plugging existing components together in new and interesting ways. They're basically prebuild pc companies for laptops.
Thanks to chip unification(Lunar Lake, M1, integrated graphics, etc.) innovation is really hard hard in this space.

As such you will find that the most innovative laptop designers are often also component designers: framework, mnt, etc.

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Quoting: Anza

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Quoting: Linux_RocksI find it funny how Nintendo ends up getting blamed in the comments somehow. Could you imagine the PR nightmare it would cause if they were found out? Nintendo isn't stupid enough to do something like this. Even if some of their actions (especially as of late) have been questionable. I'm not saying that a big company isn't or couldn't be behind this. I'm just saying that I highly doubt Nintendo would be the ones to do so.

Then as far as it possibly being a false flag to cause Palestinians further issues. I could see that. Seeing as how petty western imperialist countries can be with their bullshit, actions, and propaganda.

How would they be found out? Whoever did it could have paid a hacker, who could have been in a differrnt country AND using proxy

I can totally imagine someone like Nintendo who dont always play by the rules to do this.

I assume huge companies would attack Internet Archive with their huge lawyer armies. Legal battles can have lasting effect on how the Internet Archive works.

Wasn't this tried a few times by now?

A. It's currently in one and it's losing.
B. Yeah, some more successful than others.

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Quoting: PoliticsOfStarving

Quoting: LoudTechieI'm still curious what took them so long.
It's not chip restrictions, it's not copyright law, it probably isn't wiretapping law and it isn't the market.
Does Australia have some product safety law it failed to meet, such as "all gaming consoles should have minimally EAL5 rated hardware."
Could it be Chinese import/export restrictions.
The closest I get is that it's according to the american government [External Link] a "small competitive market", but that applies to a lot of their already released countries.
:huh:

I didn’t see a proper response.. I might have missed it though. We have strong consumer protections here, and Valve doesn’t always see eye to eye with how our laws work. That’s been the prevailing theory.

That was my assesment as well.
"Does Australia have some product safety law it failed to meet".
A problem with that one is that I a. couldn't find any consumer protection law that applies to the SteamDeck in Australia, that doesn't apply in the very first countries it released the thing, b. the same general logic is true for the entire European zone(they also all have national consumer protection laws you can still violate even if you obey the EU treaties).

Australia does have unique laws like "pay publishers if you want to copy their work", but I couldn't find one that applies to the SteamDeck(except for the Steam Store part, but the Steam Store is already in Australia).

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Quoting: tfk

Quoting: LoudTechie

Quoting: tfkLame. Don't they realize that archive.org is fighting for our right for free information. That probably includes them.

There're those for who freedom is a threat and those who view it as a weapon.
You can't host any sizable humanitarian effort without harming someone's power.
The mere fact that you're sizable is enough to get enemies(looters).
The mere fact that you're helping people is enough to take you down for some.

Well they're still bastards. :angry:

Cyber criminals tend to fall within less agreeable parts of the general population.
I say selection bias.

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