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Quoting: CorbenIs known how they are putting these games on the store? I'm wondering how it will be labeled, as just "VR" won't be enough anymore. Right now we have (mostly) Windows games that just run on Linux and Steam Deck (if not too demanding, but techically they run). On Linux PC (i.e. x86, amd64 etc.). When VR games are compiled for arm though, will they run on PC too?
Will they create a seperate store/category for arm steam frame VR games?
Will PC VR gamers running HTC Vive, Valve Index etc. be able to play these games too or will they miss out? Is this was Lepton is aiming for, but only for Linux users? Don't get me wrong, the more Linux the better, yet VR is a niche, and if Windows VR gamers would not be able to play those games too, it's a loss.

They might have the restriction that ARM games must be able to run on X86, too, just like there is (AFAIK) a restriction that any Linux native game must be available for Windows, too.

That restriction as far as I am aware does not exist. We've seen Linux-only releases on Steam, and we've also seen Linux+Mac only releases.

I have seen a developer complaining that they're not allowed to do it, and I've never seen someone doing it. Do you have an example?

Could it be their boss forbade them.
Linux isn't a very profitable market yet.

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Quoting: CorbenIs known how they are putting these games on the store? I'm wondering how it will be labeled, as just "VR" won't be enough anymore. Right now we have (mostly) Windows games that just run on Linux and Steam Deck (if not too demanding, but techically they run). On Linux PC (i.e. x86, amd64 etc.). When VR games are compiled for arm though, will they run on PC too?
Will they create a seperate store/category for arm steam frame VR games?
Will PC VR gamers running HTC Vive, Valve Index etc. be able to play these games too or will they miss out? Is this was Lepton is aiming for, but only for Linux users? Don't get me wrong, the more Linux the better, yet VR is a niche, and if Windows VR gamers would not be able to play those games too, it's a loss.

QUEMU can emulate in any direction. [External Link]
Windows on ARM exists, so ARM wouldn't be the problem.
The VR part could be.
You see Windows doesn't dominate the VR space.
All the major players run some level of POSIX/UNIX compatible OS.
This might drive devs to develop POSIX/UNIX centric games.
In theory it could probably be run with WSL and WSA.
Yet, as someone who has helped classmates use that garbage: that would be a major downgrade from the first class experience Windows users are used to.

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Quoting: JohnologueI think this really shows off how much long-term work Valve had to fund and wait for to make something like this possible. Without FEX, I imagine the Frame would have been x86-based to work as a "PC" and to play Steam games, but AFAIK most XR hardware is ARM-based. Without Proton, there wouldn't have even been a place to start. You can't make something like this while every game you distribute is stuck on Windows.

The tech industry likes talking about "magical experiences" whenever they do something particularly dystopian. I think Valve has actually created a "magical experience".

You can stuff x86 Windows games into an ARM Linux VR headset and expect them to run better than native.
How many years ago would each part of that sentence be utter madness?

Necromancers and blood mages are wizards too.
Just, because Disney tries to associate magic with happiness doesn't mean that's its meaning.

Edit:
I mean Judaism and Christianity see it as one of the most horrifying blasphemies.
The Islam treats it at most as something neutral.
Most magic in the work of the Grimm brothers is evil.
Disney is a bunch of artists trained to subvert expectations and succeeds, but it's still mostly a trope subversion to treat magic as something good.

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They'll try again.
Brave.
Lets see them compete.
I really hope it's a success.
It might inspire other stores to follow.

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Quoting: fenglengshunA lot of it seems great. Hopefully, this does mean Steam moving to Wayland and 64bit this year to be possible. But even outside of that, there are some pain points like windowing, IME, and Bluetooth that this addresses - as well as touching up on the behaviour of things like ODBC and other Windows dependencies that was an issue for me when I once tried to run local official tax apps and MS365.

At the same time, I'm not going to expect this to magically fix everything. I've had too many times when I think "everything should be fixed now!" and then you still have a dozen different issues. But, I am hopeful that things are maturing even further in a year or two.

You run MS365 through Wine.
That's how one recognizes a master of their craft.
Also on the category of MS365 everything is certainly not fixed.
Did you know it's thoroughly borked in the sense: doesn't start in winedb.
I noticed that launcher bypassed versions tend to at least start, but that's it.

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Quoting: AsciiWolfAnd Mastodon is sadly even more toxic than X/Twitter.

Oh, that's interesting, I haven't encounterd much toxicity on Mastodon so far 🤔

Excited for Hytale tho!

Mastodon is very fragmented(by design).
Maybe he caught a very toxic server.

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Quoting: sarmadWhile I agree there is a lot of immorality in AI, avoiding it just puts you at a disadvantage since everyone is using it. So, you'll be harming yourself, not the unethical AI companies. The solution to the ethical dilemma should come from politicians, but they are unfortunately too corrupt to do the right thing.

AI companies are currently operating by dotcom logic.
The more users you've, the more you'll be able to lock in in the future and thus the more valuable your shares.
Boycotts do work to influence that metric.

This same logic also applies to this "disadvantage". The goal is vendor lockin they will try to get you to rely on their products to the level that you can't ditch them and they've many great minds working on that goal.
You'll pay a hefty sum when the time of income finally arrives.
Right now you're at a disadvantage if you use AI, because they're buying your dependence with low prices.

Spoiler, click me

This also, why deepseek was such a shock.
It used a(known, but for good reasons avoided) cheaper method for training to achieve equal results and marketed it.
It presented the threat that someone without trillions in capital could compete with their champions.

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Wine has caught up with Windows in version numbering.

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Quoting: johndoe1. In Germany we still have to pay "Solidaritätszuschlag" (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solidarit%C3%A4tszuschlag [External Link]).
This money could be given to EU Sovereign Tech Fund (EU-STF) instead.

2. Forbid (proprietary) file formats like doc, docx, ppt, pptx, xls, xlsx, rtf, tnef, ... in the EU (public and private sector). We already have ODF.
Force developers/companies of proprietary software to support ODF as first-class citizen.
Every mail server (public and private sector) should be configured to deny mails with these file attachments.

3. Force M$ to release a free converter for all their proprietary file formats into ODF. The results must be 101%😁

4. Forbid proprietary protocols and APIs.

5. Force developers/companies of proprietary software to support free SQL-Backend alternatives like MariaDB and PostgreSQL and treat them as first-class citizen.

This would be a good start... man can dream.

Edit!
Ohhh boy, I forgot the most important...
6. Forbid DirectX and Mantle.

The EU once strongarmed [External Link] Microsoft in opening up the docx format for MS office 2007 Microsoft spend the following decade trying to put that genie back into the bottle.
This was only meagerly successfull.
As such Libre office has nowadays somewhat acceptable docx support.

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Quoting: Liam Dawe

Quoting: LoudTechieOn the nitpicky side, the call for evidence is for how to steer european open source toward their objectives, not the importance.

Well, it's both. It's clearly important because they're looking to base their future on it, and they want to steer people to them.

Ah, Interperted your sentence wrong. I thought you said they were still trying to figure out how important it is.

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