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Quoting: LoudTechie

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Quoting: LoudTechie64 Bit wine can't launch 32 bit applications.

Proton has included support for Wine's WOW64 mode for a while now. This shouldn't be a blocker anymore.

By providing 64bit and 32bit libraries(a.k.a 64 and 32 bit wine).
Those 32bit libraries make it a 32bit client.

32bit libraries or wine binaries are not needed in WOW64 mode. That's the whole point. Although I suppose Steam will have to ship them for older Proton builds.

If I install Wine on 64bits system it requires me manipulate my repos to also allow installing 32 bit libraries and then it installs 32 bit wine libraries.
EDIT: If I want to run 32bit or 32 bit reliant software(its technically optional, but the 32 bit stuff won't work, just like vulcan integration is optional)

That's because your package is not a pure WOW64 build. That's up to the package maintainer. 32bit Windows software runs on 64bit (WOW64) Wine without 32bit libraries. You can keep claiming otherwise, but I'd rather you just looked into it if you don't want to believe a random person on a forum.

A. My excuses you were right about the WoW build and I also misunderstood your claim.(I thought WoW was just some creative abbreviation for wine.)
B. Proton doesn't seem to use the WoW build [External Link]. This could be for backwards compatibility(reconfiguring all existing Wine prefixes without triggering anti-cheat blocks) and OpenGL preformance [External Link].

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Quoting: NonjuffoValve probably ran out of stock on the old APU and it's more cost effective to just concentrate on the newer 6nm one.

This.
It has been deprecated for a long time they were just selling old stock.

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Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: LoudTechie

Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: LoudTechie64 Bit wine can't launch 32 bit applications.

Proton has included support for Wine's WOW64 mode for a while now. This shouldn't be a blocker anymore.

By providing 64bit and 32bit libraries(a.k.a 64 and 32 bit wine).
Those 32bit libraries make it a 32bit client.

32bit libraries or wine binaries are not needed in WOW64 mode. That's the whole point. Although I suppose Steam will have to ship them for older Proton builds.

If I install Wine on 64bits system it requires me manipulate my repos to also allow installing 32 bit libraries and then it installs 32 bit wine libraries.
EDIT: If I want to run 32bit or 32 bit reliant software(its technically optional, but the 32 bit stuff won't work, just like vulcan integration is optional)

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Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: LoudTechie64 Bit wine can't launch 32 bit applications.

Proton has included support for Wine's WOW64 mode for a while now. This shouldn't be a blocker anymore.

By providing 64bit and 32bit libraries(a.k.a 64 and 32 bit wine).
Those 32bit libraries make it a 32bit client.

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Quoting: Eike

Quoting: StellaI thought I read something somewhere about the 64-bit client being unable to launch 32-bit games?

PCGamingwiki says this about the Linux client:

User requests for a native 64-bit client have been denied by Valve on numerous occasions since 2014, purportedly since such a client would be unable to launch 32-bit games.

I wouldn't think so. Your 64 bit environment is able to start 32 bit Steam, why would the chain break if one more application is 64 bit?

64 Bit wine can't launch 32 bit applications.
I think they calculate proton to be part of the Steam client(with which I agree), while the 32 bit trickery of the windows api did come build in with Windows(Win 11 is trying to change this, but thanks to legacy applications like Steam this is currently being maintained)

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Quoting: LoudTechie...
Like all ML it's trained on data produced by people and thus at least subject to copyright.
Whether or not they've permission from the copyright holders to train their model with it I'm uncertain.
I would guess they've, because it's public which data they use and they've yet to be sued into oblivion.

It's the most auditable model I've encountered in quite some time, but you still can't usefully attach a debugger to it [External Link]
It's translations certainly aren't perfect, does mistranslated information count as misinformation?

Haven't got the time to search for the source, but I understood mozilla uses open datasets for their models, i.e. permission was granted or copyrights expired.

I find it amusing, by the way, that the single "ai" browser feature that is actually useful to me is rarely advertised as being such. Even the "anti-ai" vivaldi incudes it without it raising a single eyebrow.

This could be my fault.
I treat AI as equivalent to ML, but they're different words.

Wikipedia defines AI as

Artificial intelligence (AI) is the capability of computational systems to perform tasks typically associated with human intelligence [External Link]

and ML as

Machine learning (ML) is a field of study in artificial intelligence concerned with the development and study of statistical algorithms that can learn from data and generalize to unseen data, and thus perform tasks without explicit instructions. [External Link]

.

If we take these definitions.
Aimbots are AI by this definition, but is translation AI.
It's an application of Machine Learning, but that wasn't the question.
Do we typically associate translation with human intelligence and problem solving.
Is someone appear more intelligent when they can successfully translate a sentence or would we say that communication through a matching language is the intelligent part and thus using a matching a language to the one used toward you is AI.
I would argue the first, because people tend to think that people who use complicated text are more intelligent, meaning that understanding of language is more intelligent than the capacity to communicate. I disagree with my preceived majority, but that doesn't change that it's commonly associated with human intelligence.

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Quoting: Nezchan

Quoting: LoudTechieI don't think more chatbots and such will make Firefox better, but there is one recent AI feature of Firefox that although I don't use it I think is very good.

The build in translation capability. I had to download all kinds of sketchy extensions to get that to work right for my uncle and now I can just flip a setting.

As far as I'm aware, and I am no expert so I could easily be wrong, but translation is generally Machine Learning (ML), rather than Large Language Model (LLM), which the chatbots and generative AI are built on. It does fall under the "AI" umbrella, but doesn't have the same issues as LLMs such as rampant plagiarism, enormous energy use, black box processing that cannot be audited, generating misinformation, etc. So therefore not really a big issue despite both being under the same umbrella.

Machine learning is the base category. LLM is a subcategory of machine learning.

My understanding of the training methods of Mozilla are insufficient to classify it, it as a LLM, but it certainly is an LM(language model).
I would guess based on their github and budget that it's not(LLM requires self-reinforcement learning, which costs a lot).

Copyright wise all translation is the creation of derivative works although many nations tend to have personal use exceptions(in this case this matters, because I'm talking about the act of translating the webpage not the act of training the model).

Like all ML it's trained on data produced by people and thus at least subject to copyright.
Whether or not they've permission from the copyright holders to train their model with it I'm uncertain.
I would guess they've, because it's public which data they use and they've yet to be sued into oblivion.

It's the most auditable model I've encountered in quite some time, but you still can't usefully attach a debugger to it [External Link]
It's translations certainly aren't perfect, does mistranslated information count as misinformation?

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I don't think more chatbots and such will make Firefox better, but there is one recent AI feature of Firefox that although I don't use it I think is very good.

The build in translation capability. I had to download all kinds of sketchy extensions to get that to work right for my uncle and now I can just flip a setting.

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Quoting: BrandonGeneIt's shocking to me that none of these big companies have made the realization of "Hey, you know what would go over really well? Committing to NOT adopting AI in our product." Out of anyone, it should've been Mozilla.

Mozzilla is mostly(80%) funded by google the one with the money decides.

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Quoting: elmapulsome of those assets seems like they were draw on top of assets from pokémon or rpg maker...
or that they havent even changed anything on the original assets...
i wonder if this game is free from copyright violation or it might be taken down at any moment...

As Palword displayed.
Copyright isn't their largest threat.
It's patents.
They last shorter, but are much more thorough.

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