Quoting: Code_EyeGreat for arch all around, but thinking what valve gets out of it. Steam vr os perhaps? As x86 isn't really feasible for a headset currently in terms of heat, battery life and hardware camera calculation support.

Valve is probably preparing for an ARM based steam deck. Considering you can already run steam games through ARM processors/Box86 and Nvidia, its a logical step for power efficiency, especially if Apple hasnt shown us anything.

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Quoting: ElectricPrism

Quoting: mphuZNot for long. In the next 1-2 years, the Chinese will significantly completely abandon Windows (even pirated versions will be cut) and switch to HarmonyOS [External Link].

They write [External Link] that its microkernel is 3 times more efficient than Linux.

If China claimed that in the next 5 years they will land on the sun would you believe it? Talk is cheap.

Quoting: mphuZ

Quoting: MayeulCPretty sure it's CCP for Chinese Communist Party in English

Of course not :grin:

Notice how he used the words "In English". You can call it whatever you want. In any case it's the same entity it's been for the last century and changing the name is an act of censorship to expunge the events of the last 100 years from history.

But hey, we saw Chinese SARS/Influenza changed to "The Spanish Flu" in the early 1900s and Wuhan Penumonia in the 2020s quietly changed to COVID and we certainly made sure that after Greek Alphabet Alpha, Beta, Delta, Gama variants that we didn't have a Xi (She) variant even though Ebola is named after a river, and Lymes are named after a geographical location as well. I guess naming convention rules don't apply and English can be subjected to walk on eggshells of people who don't even speak it.

If you want to refer to North Korea in English as the proper name "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" -- go ahead.

Cuba refers to itself as a "People's Democracy" https://wikiless.org/wiki/Politics_of_Cuba?lang=en#Legislature [External Link]

You can call things Democracies and Republics if you want.

Many of us will not participate.

If you are referring to something, try to make an effort to refer to it by the proper name. The proper English name is "CPC".

Also, DPRK is actually quite democratic with representation of all social levels in the National Assembly. Just because you see propaganda about "how bad it is", doesnt make it true

As for Linux support - its mandated in government organizations and government companies, just like in Russia. But unlike Russia, many of the government companies run on Chinas homegrown processors.

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Quoting: Linas

Quoting: mphuZ

Quoting: MayeulCPretty sure it's CCP for Chinese Communist Party in English

Of course not :grin:

I'm sorry, I really don't see what distinction are you trying to make here. I was simply referring to the ruling party in China. You know, the one and only.

Whats the distinction between "America" and "AmeriKKKa"? Its the same here.

Also there are about 25 parties in China

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Quoting: Eike

Quoting: Cato-the-younger

Quoting: EikeIn my country (Germany), women weren't allowed to
* attend university 130 years ago,
* make politics 120 years ago,
* elect 110 years ago,
* decide how their own money is used in marriage 70 years ago,
* work without their husbands allowance 70 years ago.

But I guess they were celebrated, huh?

I'm still surprised by people saying such obvious lies.

And in your country (Germany), men of low socioeconomic status weren't allowed to:
[...]
*elect (see above reasons)

You're wrong. Feel free to read it up [External Link].

(Interestingly, they had a higher quote of participation in 1912 than in 2021, so the poor were not only allowed to vote, they actually did.)

Quoting: Cato-the-youngerAt least do proper research before and think about what you write before writing nonsense

Well...

Quoting: Cato-the-youngerthough if you know history females werent at all oppressed and were celebrated all throughout human history

I'm still surprised by people saying such obvious lies.

I dont read German. Give me an English language source to verify.

Or better yet, go read "German Electoral History: From Empire to Republic" or "Suffrage and Voting Rights in Germany: From the 19th Century to Modern times" - it talks about restricted voting rights across German states based on property ownership, income or tax contributions restricting the ability of lower class men to vote.

The Weimar Republic introduced universal sufferage for all citizens over 20 regardless of Gender and class. So again your argument falls apart.

So no, women werent restricted from voting by the "evul patriarchy" or whatever other nonsense is promugulated nowadays. It was limited for everyone based on socioeconomic class, which is also something Marx touched on.

What obvious lies about women did I say? You conveniently ignore everything I wrote earlier about the celebration of women and their fertility and status. Of course you did though, as it doesnt fit your narrow narrative of the world.

The blatant lies and misrepresentation of history by the woke crowd for their own political agendas is absolutely sickening and tiring.

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Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: Cato-the-youngerWhat is false exactly? That the rhetoric of say BLM if used by whites would get them labelled as "white supremacists"?

The rhetoric of BLM is that blacks in the US would really prefer it if cops would stop killing them. It would be weird coming from whites because the cops don't kill them nearly as much.
Really, what are you on?

Lol. If it was just about cops, I would agree. But its not.

And nice job addressing everything else I wrote.

From the wikipedia page, "BLM and its related organizations typically advocate for various policy changes related to black liberation"

Noble goals all, but if one were to replace "Black liberation" with "white liberation" it reads as a neo-nazi creed by Nick Land. And if we are to analyze the broader agenda of BLM and Black liberation movements they arent that much different from white supremacists.

Tell me this - if Black Americans are targeted because of race, why do African immigrants to America not experience this? Perhaps its related to socioeconomic class and poverty rather than race? This further confirms what I said anove abt supremacy movements.

As a corollary, perhaps the poor outcomes of American Blacks has more to do with cultural factors considering that poor immigrants from Africa tend to do better? Nobody is having this conversation.

Is police brutality in America a problem? Yes. Do American Blacks disproportionately suffer from poverty? Yes. But the question then arises why is the experience of African Blacks in America vastly different from that of American Blacks? The outcomes of Black Africans in America are much different and they largely do not experience the same issues. Should America do more outreach to Blacks in the Third World as the Soviet Union did? Probably.

The issues with American Police Brutality are systemic issues related to a broken policing system in general.

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Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: Cato-the-youngerMost "equality" movements are actually supremacy movements masquerading as a "equality" movement to make it more palatable.

Well that's a whole lot of projection. The only movement I'm aware of that is like that is the white one.

So here's the thing: Pretty much everything you're saying is objectively false. The statistics, when not cherry-picked carefully, make this clear. Also the history--that stuff about women, WTF?! So, you are either deeply but aggressively ignorant, or you are lying like a rug on the assumption that your audience is ignorant. In either case, I'm really not interested in talking to you any further.

There is one true thing--it seems these days that more women than men are going to college. And yet, the wage gap between men and women, with men getting paid more, remains pretty steady. But none of this implies that women somehow owe men relationships. If you're an incel (maybe you're not, maybe you're just promoting their stupid memes for other reasons), what you should do is quit whining and bitching about women and instead try learning to be a decent person that women won't have strong reasons to dislike . . . which might require exiting a culture that seems to actively promote being a total racist sexist asshole that most women, and decent men, are unlikely to want to spend time with. Because you get in relationships with women when they want to be in a relationship with you.

What is false exactly? That the rhetoric of say BLM if used by whites would get them labelled as "white supremacists"? Are you going to deny that? Or how about the rhetoric we hear from Feminists in regards to men - if whites used such rhetoric against any other race they would be called supremacists, and rightfully so. But we are somehow supposed to believe that neither of those are supremacist movements? Riiiighhtt

And what is false about women? Do you deny that many ancient Civilizations celebrated womenhood, fertility and motherhood? Is that why the Babylonians had statues of Ishtar all over their cities and even a temple dedicated to Her? Or is that why the Hellenistic world had all female schools dedicated to midwifery with women writing extensive treatsies on the matter that survive to present day? Or how about basically every ancient civilization having numerous festivals dedicated to women? Are those lies too? Or how about elderly women having very high social status and playing crucial roles in their communities in early human societies? Or how about the first all womens monastic college that opened in America in 1637, a year after Harvard?

Sounds like you havent done your research or thought abt it much lol.

Wage gap remains steady? You must be living in an alternate universe lmao. Heres statistics from the Brookings institute:

https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F58c2d3fc-40b0-4a21-a270-9b1b7669c4bd_1629x1185.png [External Link]

I see no wage gap. Do you?

Heres more

https://time.com/3222543/wage-pay-gap-myth-feminism/ [External Link]

And nobody said anybody owes anyone relationships. Did you not read what I wrote? Or did you let your own preconcieved biases and emotions cloud your ability to reason. The statistics on this is pretty clear - highly educated women have a harder time dating because they price themselves out of the market and raise their own standards too high that they can no longer find a partner they view as "suitable" due to differences in male and female mating psychology. At this point the data on this is pretty overwhelming. It has nothing to do with childish notions of anybody "owing" anyone relationships

Another thing is clear as well, its that Blacks in America have different cultural values compared to different minority groups which is what is holding them back. Most institutional barriers have long been removed - something you did not address in your rather childish response. How else do you explain the success of Asian, Indian or Eastern European immigrants when they have difficulties with the language, foreign sounding names and even look different.

You need to do better research and learn to seperate bias from preconcieved emotion.

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Quoting: Eike

Quoting: Cato-the-youngerthough if you know history females werent at all oppressed and were celebrated all throughout human history

In my country (Germany), women weren't allowed to
* attend university 130 years ago,
* make politics 120 years ago,
* elect 110 years ago,
* decide how their own money is used in marriage 70 years ago,
* work without their husbands allowance 70 years ago.

But I guess they were celebrated, huh?

I'm still surprised by people saying such obvious lies.

And in your country (Germany), men of low socioeconomic status weren't allowed to:
*attend universities 130 years ago (lack of money)
*make politics 120 years ago (they werent landowners or rich so their opinions didnt matter)
*elect (see above reasons)

So maybe it had nothing to do with being women, and everything to do with low socioeconomic class?🤔 of course people ignore that, either to push an agenda or due to ignorance.

And yes, if you study ancient history - there were plenty of festivals and events celebrating womanhood, fertility and motherhood. Indeed, many civilizations like the Babylonians had MULTIPLE festivals dedicated to women and fertility. They even had a goddess for women they celebrated and had her statues all over the city. This was also true of the Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, etc. So stop spreading absolute and utter lies about women being oppressed. Actually, midwifery was very common in the Hellenic world, and was primairly practiced by women with women writing numerous treatsies on the matter with many exclusively female schools dedicated to the subject.

At least do proper research before and think about what you write before writing nonsense

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Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: TheBard

So then, how about Fortnite on Linux / Steam Deck? Epic Games CEO Tim Sweeney said when it hits "tens of millions of users" that it "would actually make sense to support it". We must be pretty close by now right? Why ignore a platform that's sold multiple millions, and is clearly just continuing to fly off the shelves?

I've seen more consistency in /dev/random's output than Tim Sweeney's statements.

Quoting: Eike

Quoting: Cato-the-youngerIt also has further downstream knockon social effects that dont end up benefitting you.

Which ones?

The current ones that seem to be popping up is where certain people can't get promotions or hired because of their ethnicity isn't 'diverse' enough. There are lawsuits, for example, against IBM for not promoting someone who has been at the company for decades, but was told more or less that he would not be promoted because he wasn't diverse enough... then you have Gina Carano suing Disney for wrongful termination, etc. If you go looking through various codes of conduct (Gnome for example) and they're clearly racist against people who are white.

'Woke' is basically an ideology that says the minorities should be the majority and that the majority should bend the knee for being awful.

When you can show me a place where white males make less money on average than minorities, or have less wealth on average than minorities, I'll start to care. If you look at the stats, you will notice that there are NO signs of this coming close to happening. And despite all the anecdotal whining, they've done experiments in the US: They do sets of loan applications and job applications in pairs that are identical except one has a typically "white-sounding" name attached to it and the other has a typically "black-sounding" name attached to it. The ones assumed to be white get hired more often, get the loans more often, and if both get the loans the "black-sounding" name on average gets charged a higher interest rate. So for now all the bitching and moaning from white males about how terribly they're treated because of wokeness and reverse discrimination is going to get from me a sad song on the world's smallest violin.

God, I just get so ashamed of what fucking wimps many of my fellow white males are.

Ah, so what you're saying is the cure for racism is more racism? I believe that the answer to it is fairness across the board. There's a culture issue going on, it has less to do about what color your skin is and what culture you're from. There are a lot of individuals who escape that culture, and others do not.

If people are getting screwed over based on what color their skin is, than it is wrong, period. That's the whole purpose of discrimination laws.

Discrimination laws might get the job done in much of Europe, where the class system is relatively compressed, social programs exist and pretty much work, education is cheap or free and fairly equally delivered, unions are widespread and sectoral bargaining means most people not in a union still pretty much have a union contract. And where, far as I can make out, people take such laws fairly seriously. I have doubts, but sure, maybe.

In the US, such laws do little.
(hidden is explanation of why)

Spoiler, click me

Hierarchy is much steeper there and natural opportunities for class mobility much more constrained. So for instance, in the US, most people can be fired from their job for no reason. So it's illegal to fire someone because they are from some race or religion, or because they're trying to start a union, but it's not illegal to just fire them without saying why. Similarly, as long as you don't say why you didn't hire someone, or didn't give them a loan, or whatever . . . and indeed lots of people charging a black family higher interest for a loan or not hiring a black for a management job aren't being consciously racist; they're just white people who have a "sense" for who's higher risk or who's not a "fit", which sense somewhere at the back of their mind involves blackness as a risk factor. And of course, nearly all the people making these decisions are white. They're not going to notice this stuff--it has no impact on anyone they know. Incidentally, when there's talk about AI doing racist stuff, it's because they fed the AIs on data from this kind of decision maker and it took in the tacit bias from the data it got fed.

Or if you look at education--in the United States, primary and high school education are locally funded by property taxes, and property values vary wildly, so poor neighborhoods have very crappy schools. But wait, there's more! Federal funding tends to go preferentially to schools which are already performing well (not by accident, by design; it's supposed to be an incentive to compete), which is to say not the poor ones. And of course for the rich there are lots of private schools. And just having gone to schools known to be bad makes you less hireable. Since neighborhoods are also very segregated, and blacks are much poorer than whites on average, functionally "black schools" suck and make people less able to get hired.

There's a whole constellation of this kind of stuff all kind of working together.

To make antiracism laws perform effectively, you'd have to do massive witch hunts. You think people bitch about affirmative action, discrimination laws strong enough and strongly enforced enough to work in the US would be just insane police state shit. It's probably less intrusive just to have a quota. And the idea is that once the numbers are about in tune with population sizes, it also won't be just whites (or males) making the hiring decisions and so forth . . . there will be people in the decision-making part of the system to whom the whole setup isn't invisible. I would agree that there are drawbacks, but if you're going to have a steeply hierarchical and unequal system in the first place, nothing is going to work really well when it comes to trying to make people equal.

Most "equality" movements are actually supremacy movements masquerading as a "equality" movement to make it more palatable. Take Feminism, it has achieved "equality of females" (though if you know history females werent at all oppressed and were celebrated all throughout human history) and is now trying to "win" women more rights compared to men. Same with BLM - there is little discrimination of Blacks at an institutional level - some holdouts like tech still exist, but broadly blacks have more advantages should they wish to use them.

Next those claims of "education being unequal due to income" makes no sense. I know plenty of immigrants from Eastern Europe who came to the US with nary a penny and were able to become rich. They have Eastern European names (by the logic of the studies you cite, they should not have been hireable as their names are too foreign and would scare someone hiring) and yet they were able to get hired. They speak English with an accent too. And yet they did better than many locals who speak better English and have American names.

Those studies you mention miss on crucial points - education doesnt help if the communities do not value them. This is why poor Asian communities are able to do well, because parents will put all their money into their childs education, whereas black families dont - even when in many cases they live in similar neighborhoods. The question we should be asking why is it that some cultures value education over others.

For the Asians its likely Confucian values. For the Eastern Europeans its due to Communist legacy. Americans dont value education as much culturally.

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Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: TheBard

So then, how about Fortnite on Linux / Steam Deck? Epic Games CEO Tim Sweeney said when it hits "tens of millions of users" that it "would actually make sense to support it". We must be pretty close by now right? Why ignore a platform that's sold multiple millions, and is clearly just continuing to fly off the shelves?

I've seen more consistency in /dev/random's output than Tim Sweeney's statements.

Quoting: Eike

Quoting: Cato-the-youngerIt also has further downstream knockon social effects that dont end up benefitting you.

Which ones?

The current ones that seem to be popping up is where certain people can't get promotions or hired because of their ethnicity isn't 'diverse' enough. There are lawsuits, for example, against IBM for not promoting someone who has been at the company for decades, but was told more or less that he would not be promoted because he wasn't diverse enough... then you have Gina Carano suing Disney for wrongful termination, etc. If you go looking through various codes of conduct (Gnome for example) and they're clearly racist against people who are white.

'Woke' is basically an ideology that says the minorities should be the majority and that the majority should bend the knee for being awful.

When you can show me a place where white males make less money on average than minorities, or have less wealth on average than minorities, I'll start to care. If you look at the stats, you will notice that there are NO signs of this coming close to happening. And despite all the anecdotal whining, they've done experiments in the US: They do sets of loan applications and job applications in pairs that are identical except one has a typically "white-sounding" name attached to it and the other has a typically "black-sounding" name attached to it. The ones assumed to be white get hired more often, get the loans more often, and if both get the loans the "black-sounding" name on average gets charged a higher interest rate. So for now all the bitching and moaning from white males about how terribly they're treated because of wokeness and reverse discrimination is going to get from me a sad song on the world's smallest violin.

God, I just get so ashamed of what fucking wimps many of my fellow white males are.

Ironic you said that "nobody cares" in your previous post, about "wokeness" and yet Concord shut down in 2 weeks (a lifespan sjorter than that of a fly). So clearly people care.

Sure. Currently white males are starting to fall out of college - more women than man are getting degrees, most campuses are filled with more women than men and more women are getting high paying fields than men. This leads to a large "leftover male" population that wont be able to find a mate, it will also lead to a further declining birthrate. Thats not even mentioning how laws favor women (minority women in particular) where women get a much smaller sentence for the same crime, women win the majority of cases, etc. In college if you qre currently a white male - particularly in areas in Medicine and law, there is quite significant discrimination as program directors are now largely minorities and will not higher white men because "they have the advantage" and because there are numerous programs favoring minorities (they can get same position with a much smaller score). This is just one of the many ways whites get discriminated against.

Prior to encountering woke people that started shoving their agenda fown everyones throat, it never crossed my mind to discriminate whites, blacks, asians, etc and I'd hire anyone if they qualified. I guess Wokes are the true racists.

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Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: Cato-the-younger

Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: GuestWhat is woke?

Depends who you ask. Originally it came from a comment made by some black guy and had to do with waking up and smelling the coffee about racist shit. Antiracist liberals adopted it. Some of them got finicky about it.

Because of this, American alt-right Republicans and those influenced by them, who have a serious hate on for the mere idea of admitting that racism exists and has real impacts because, like, they're the beneficiaries, have begun using the term to mean "Absolutely anything I don't personally like, all of which shall now be considered evil and communist".

In the context of a game, it probably means something like, some of the characters are different races, genders, orientations or whatnot, which is terrible and woke because nature intended that all game characters be manly, muscular white males. Or it could just be any random thing, which got designated "woke" just because an anti-woke type didn't like it.

Not quite. Woke is putting in LGBT, different races and random "representation" and "diversity and inclusion" for absolutely no reason where they have no place.

Take Amazons "Wheel of Time" TV adaptation. They randomly put black and Indian characters into Two Rivers that was stated in the books to be a village isolated from the outside world for 2000 years with the occassional peddler coming by to share news of the outside world. They were described as essentially "white Englishmen" in the books. However, there were many other nations in the books - with Turians being similar to Indians/Arabs, the Sharans being essentially Nubia (and black), the Seanchan being Asians/Japanese, etc. Instead of staying true to the source material they start putting in "diversity and inclusion" into things in a forced manner when there was already alot of it in the books just in different ways. And this is not the only example.

If we take Veilguard, it is based in DA:O that didnt have this and in fact seems to be forcing this entire narrative into places it makes no sense. If they made a new IP where that made sense and it wasnt done in a forced way nobody would have a rpoblem with it.

Take Concord for example, nobody wants to play the game because the "diversity snd inclusion" feels forced and in your face.

In addition, the forced "diversity and inclusion" is only applicable to white people but not other races. All black movies and shows (yes those exist) for example are not forced to put random white people or asians or whatever into their product where they have no place. For some reason white people are.

It has nothing to do with "right wing" or "white people benefitting from it" and everything to do with it 1) being in your face 2) forced 3) forcing it into places where it doesnt make sense. If it was about the "right wing" ooga booga that people claim, Wukong and Stellar Blade would never have been successful as its made by the Koreans/Chinese. They were just a good games, didnt force "diversity and inclusion" on anyone and were interesting.

Woke is essentially a manifestation of the "Social Justice" religion heavily based on and sharing similarities with Puritan movements. It has the concept of Original sin, Christian Ressentiment, it has rituals, Mass and all the trappings one could attribute to the Puritan denomination of Christanity. Just with a different name and manifestation.

So, yeah, like I said. In more, and more defensive, words, but basically exactly what I said.
Consider taking a step back from your outrage about things being the wrong races to ask yourself "Why do I even care, when lots of other people apparently don't?"

Nothing at all what you said.

You talked about racism, whereas I did not. You talked about stuff "not benefitting white people", whereas I did not. In fact I countered both of those arguments. You tried to make fun of "nature intended all characters be white" and didnt address my point regarding that npbpdy has problems with "diversity and representation" when it has a place in the world and story. Instead you try to make it about "white people being insecure"

Thats the level of argumentation of a feminist, "men dont like successful women because they are intimidated", which is simply dumb and nonsensical 🤦‍♂️

I care because, narratives arent just harmless little stories but are attempts at social engineering (yes its a thing and yes "democratic" governments engage in it), it also degrades the quality of art. It also has further downstream knockon social effects that dont end up benefitting you.

Just because you "dont care", doesnt mean it doesnt have an effect on your life.

As a wise Greek once said, "you can avoid Politics, but Politics will not avoid you".

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